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Old 09-04-2013, 09:25 PM
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I dare someone to go onto studentdoctornetwork.com forums and post a thread saying that the cure for cancer is through diet.

Of course, proponents of "evidence-based medicine" will say that there are no non-conventional ways to cure or treat cancer. They will also make fun of these approaches using ad hominem.



Why are there not more studies on the effects of eating healthy on cancer? Is it because there are studies on this topic and that they are being suppressed? You would think that someone curing their cancer with an "unorthodox" approach would be widely known. Or as Kevin Trudeau would say, "Why isn't it front page news?".
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Traditional medical doctors can often be like weathermen, but instead of saying "the wind shifted" they say "it was spontaneous remission"
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Traditional medical doctors can often be like weathermen, but instead of saying "the wind shifted" they say "it was spontaneous remission"
Well said and 100 percent true.
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There is no money in non-pharmaceutical products, and it takes a lot of money to run a good clinical trial. So no "evidence" that anything works/doesn't work.
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There is no money in non-pharmaceutical products, and it takes a lot of money to run a good clinical trial. So no "evidence" that anything works/doesn't work.
True dat.
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I dare someone to go onto studentdoctornetwork.com forums and post a thread saying that the cure for cancer is through diet.

Of course, proponents of "evidence-based medicine" will say that there are no non-conventional ways to cure or treat cancer. They will also make fun of these approaches using ad hominem.
I believe Schopenhauer well summed up the reality of this situation when he wrote, "Really significant steps forward for mankind go through three stages. First, they are ridiculed. Second, they are heavily fought by those who have economic interests in the status quo. And finally, when the dam is breaking, everyone says: Well we knew it all along."

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Everything that goes through this extremely complicated (not really) scientific process that costs a whole lot of money (really) is the best . . . even if that scientific research shows the effectiveness of the treatment is 10%. If it is proven to be effective in 10% of cases vs. 7% placebo, then we have ourselves a scientific breakthrough. You always hear, "This is the best we've got. . ."

Of course . . . they don't put too much money into figuring out whether these 'treatments' actually cause further illnesses and cancers . . . say. . . 5 years later. Which by the way is the time frame that is most often conveniently used to define "cure".
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Because 5 years later the patent has expired, or is about to expire. So what does anyone care? The reality could be that 100% of people who take it get better with some natural remedy, but because there is no money in it, it doesn't get tested. Therefore, it doesn't "work."'
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Could not agree more with this!
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Old thread - but conventional medicine has admitted diet causes cervical cancer. Then why is it suddenly crazy to think diet can cure cancer?
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Old thread - but conventional medicine has admitted diet causes cervical cancer. Then why is it suddenly crazy to think diet can cure cancer?
Exactly. Because people with vested economic interests don't see any money-making opportunities in living a healthy lifestyle.
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I believe in evidence based medicine, and I also write about natural remedies based on scientific evidence. However, there is a profit motive in how much research is done on cancer approaches. There is no money to be made by saying diet worsens/improves cancer compared to how much money can be made by creating a medication. I feel that a healthy diet probably does help prevent cancer, but I can't say if diet does or does not cure cancer because there is no evidence. I certainly wouldn't insult someone for saying it could because there is no strong evidence either way. This being said I would exhaust all the standard approaches first before relying only on diet to treat cancer.

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Population studies clearly supply evidence that diet effects cancer rates Exactly which diets are the best remains a bone of contention. Where is the proof that conventional therapy is effective ,and please keep in mind that any claims in regard to its efficacy should be compared to a baseline. In other words if you are going to claim chemo treated patients live three years longer than those not treated then you must have statistics on the untreated group
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Exactly. They should include what type of lifestyle the second group had for the duration of the study. I think that the studies and clinical trials done by the NIH are equivocative and are based on bias. There is no money in naturally curing people. The NIH largely favors allopathy, which is rooted in making money. For example, 4-hydroxycoumarin is a natural compound found in plants. But do doctors recommend it? No. Because there would be no need for more expensive laboratory equipment. And if companies that supply that equipment for them lose business, they make less money. And if they make less money, that means less money for doctors. It's a conflict of interest. If laboratory equipment companies are doing well financially, they can sell the equipment to the scientists in the NIH labs for less money. Thus the NIH would save more money for themselves, while promulgating their clinical trials to the people. This draws more people to allopathy, thus giving them better business and more money. Doctors make more money if pharmaceutical companies are in lucrative business. The doctor prescribes the pill, and pharmaceutical companies make more money. Thus, the doctor makes more money because without the pharma companies, allopathy would not exist. So as everyone here seems to know, it's one giant money-making conflict of interest. Allopathy is fueled by greed.
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Colin Champ - Cancer Prevention Through Diet


Lifestyle and Diet play a crucial role in the initiation and progress of cancer. There were indigenous cultures living traditional lifestyles and eating locally sourced unprocessed or minimally processed foods where cancer was not expected nor a major cause of mortality.
There are things we can do to mimic the diets/lifestyles of those indigenous peoples and maintaining a natural 25(OH)D above 50ng/ml 125nmol/l would help as would avoiding all processed foods.
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