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The worst attack on us are the credit card companies. They want to give credit cards to college students who don't even have a job yet so they can put them deep into debt before they even make any money. The strategy of the credit card companies is to make you pay them monthly payments forever. They want to make you their beyotch and keep you that way forever.
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Along that same line I just paid my Sprint bill. In big bold numbers I was told how much I was required to send. Of course if you looked closely that was the minimum amount due, not the actual amount due.

But that is OK because next month they would happily tack on the interest due for not paying the full amount. I wonder how may get suckered into that scam before they realize it.
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A credit card is like anything else; In the wrong hands it's dangerous.
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Why give out credit cards to people who do not have incomes? IE -- college students. It's to put them into a hole they will struggle with the rest of their lives and never climb out from.
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Of course. Isn't that the whole objective of the card companies? They want you to be in debt up to your eyeballs as that is how they are able to make a ton of money off of you. They assume that you are not smart enough to realize that paying 22-25% interest is a total rip off. Anyone that regularly pays off their balance every month is of no real value to them.
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The Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) own the Four Horsemen of Oil (Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch/Shell, BP Amoco and Chevron Texaco); in tandem with Deutsche Bank, BNP, Barclays and other European old money behemoths. But their monopoly over the global economy does not end at the edge of the oil patch.
According to company 10K filings to the SEC, the Four Horsemen of Banking are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation.[1]
So who then are the stockholders in these money center banks?
This information is guarded much more closely. My queries to bank regulatory agencies regarding stock ownership in the top 25 US bank holding companies were given Freedom of Information Act status, before being denied on “national security” grounds. This is rather ironic, since many of the bank’s stockholders reside in Europe.


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UWSA FEDERAL RESERVE ACCOUNTABILITY NATIONAL TASK FORCE

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  • The Enemy From Within II


Re: ** FED-UP ** By: Thomas D. Schauf (1992)
Task Force Colleague . . . . . . . . . . . . . . September 9, 1995

Mr. Thomas D. Schauf, worked up his 30 page report, to clear up questions he had received about the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). Mr. Schauf spent a great deal of time researching the FED. (Note: We reduced this 30 page report to 16 pages, to make it more enjoyable. We reduced the number of endorsements, and none of the essential facts have been altered. We did use #12 character size from #16.) The resulting, shocking and revealing conclusions are as follows.
THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value, thereof. Today, however, the FED, which is a privately, owned company, controls and profits from coining (printing) money through the treasury, and regulating its value.
The FED began with approximately 300 people, or banks, that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - stock is not publicly traded), in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel, of wealth, beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17), in interest (usury), annually, and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress gave the FED the right to print money, (through the treasury), at no usury to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us, through banks, and charges usury on our currency. The FED also buys government debt, with money printed on a printing press, and charges, U.S. taxpayers, usury. Many Congressmen and Presidents say, this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17). (Note: References are listed on page 14 of this report.)
Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central Banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:
Rothschild Bank of London Warburg Bank of Hamburg Rothschild Bank of Berlin Lehman Brothers of New York Lazard Brothers of Paris Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York Israel Moses Seif Banks Goldman, Sachs of New York of Italy Chase Manhattan Bank of New York Warburg Bank of Amsterdam (Reference 14, p.13, & Reference 12, p. 152) These Bankers are connected to London Banking Houses, which, ultimately, control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America, they planned to control us, by controlling our banking system, with the profit, on the printing of our money, and our ever increasing debt. (Reference 4).
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3. The Global Elite’s “Social Engineering” Document.

A document that is classified as “Top Secret,” dated May 1979, and found July 7 1986 -- inadvertently making its way into the public domain in an IBM copier that had been purchased at a surplus sale.

The document is incredibly diabolical in its nature, and would be hard to believe, except the secret, quiet conditioning and programming that has been enforced by the global elite over the last few decades, and which is still being carried out in the present day on society, is the tell-tale authenticity of the document. One could simply view the rest of the articles in this Menu to see that the global elite's plan of social subversion and societal automation is well and alive and on the way to becoming a reality. This site, is of course, is and will be an antidote to that reality.

As the document is lengthy, and quite technical in some areas, a brief synopsis of the key points and concepts has been made in bold letters to give the reader a checklist of events and facts as they can be confirmed through their own mental faculties against the world-reality they have been made to live in. Children and adults alike, in both formal and informal settings should study it and discuss it as it pertains to contemporary life, as that would be a great start in preserving their own personal freedom and autonomy from those at high levels who don’t have their best interest in mind - New World Peace.com.

And now, institutionalized bribery, mayhem and destruction: The World Bank and IMF.
The document is incredibly diabolical in its nature, and would be hard to believe, except the secret, quiet conditioning and programming that has been enforced by the global elite over the last few decades, and which is still being carried out in the present day on society, is the tell-tale authenticity of the document. One could simply view the rest of the articles in this Menu to see that the global elite's plan of social subversion and societal automation is well and alive and on the way to becoming a reality. This site, is of course, is and will be an antidote to that reality.


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Where does all his information come from?? It's creepy.


All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the beneficiary?

In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquility, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few.

In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create, secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name "silent weapons."

In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable.


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n order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class elements of the society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the occupationally orphaned children.

The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintaining some measure of social order, peace, and tranquility for the ruling upper class.

DESCRIPTIVE INTRODUCTION OF THE SILENT WEAPON


[5. The weapon is silent because it is insidious, penetrating into every facet of human life, until the quality of human life is so degraded, that the general society dies by it. People may “sense” it, but they cannot intellectually comprehend it. They are therefore, socially isolated in their feeling.]

Everything that is expected from an ordinary weapon is expected from a silent weapon by its creators, but only in its own manner of functioning.

It shoots situations, instead of bullets; propelled by data processing, instead of a chemical reaction (explosion); originating from bits of data, instead of grains of gunpowder; from a computer, instead of a gun; operated by a computer programmer, instead of a marksman; under the orders of a banking magnate, instead of a military general.

It makes no obvious explosive noises, causes no obvious physical or mental injuries, and does not obviously interfere with anyone's daily social life.

Yet it makes an unmistakable "noise," causes unmistakable physical and mental damage, and unmistakably interferes with daily social life, i.e., unmistakable to a trained observer, one who knows what to look for.
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[18. Strategies for human control and enslavement include the state of ignorance of the general public so that there will be less public organization; {the reason why root causes are never addressed or tackled in the general media; and why there is no real accountability of anything or anybody in government on the failure of checks}; create pre-occupation which will lower their defenses. {This is reflected in media programming, and the pace of our lives}; attack the family unit and control the education of the young. {Through this strategy, the “dumbing down” of the population is in progress}; create dependency through less cash and more self-indulgency and hand-outs. {Pretty obvious through the proliferation of credit cards, for one, and an irresponsible national budget}.

Attack privacy and destroy faith in any religion or religious authority; make social conformity of the population for computer programming simplicity; minimize tax protest; collapse currency; destroy the faith of the people in each other.

Diversion is the primary strategy. Public must remain undisciplined and ignorant of the system’s principles while at the same time confused, disorganized and distracted with unimportant matters.

Disengaging minds and sabotaging mental activities {and processes through the proliferation of drugs — prescription and illegal} is key to ignorance of the system’s principles — as well as a low quality program of education in subjects pertaining to mathematics, logic, systems design, economics and discouraging technical creativity.

Focus on engaging and affronting the emotions {as they disengage the intellect}; increase self-indulgence; sex, violence, wars in media. Overfeed the appetites {the wants} and underfeed {or starve} the real needs. Create “junk food for thought” rather than food for thought.

Rewriting of history and law to shift focus to an artificial frame of reference that will take the general public further away from the interest in and discovery of silent weapons of social automation technology.

Profit is generated in a constant state of confusion. Therefore problem events are manufactured by the global elite, who then offer their solutions that enable more profit and control.

The grand direction and staging of the media, schools and entertainment industry all play a key role in social enslavement. To keep the human from thinking and remain an animal, work must have a non-stop {treadmill quality}.

Information for silent weapons programming is available from a docile public; and the taxation department--which has been set up for the silent weapons programmers.

Complying with taxation is an indicator of consent of the enslaved and works as an important factor in strategic decision-making.

Consent {as pushed, coerced, manipulated and deceived} is indicative of victory. Collection of taxes, seizure of private property without just compensation is an indicator of ripeness of public surrender – as public is consenting to enslavement and legal encroachment.

Through the number of citizens willing to pay income tax despite an obvious lack of reciprocal or honest service from government quantifies harvest time {those who will be spared, and those who will be “taken”}].


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I agree, but its easy to get hooked during the good times, problem comes when things slow down, its harder to make the payments and the card companies then put up their rates. I was stuck for a couple of years, but gradually cleared them all off.
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Debt will destroy you and there is no such thing as good debt. They have been pimping CCs to college students for 25 yrs, the problem is was in the late 90s thay had huge loan limits. I have one freind who makes 110-120k and is in excessive CC debt.
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This educational reform is not new. It started in the early 1900s, and probably even earlier, when John D. Rockefeller, Jr.’s Director of Charity for the Rockefeller Foundation, Frederick T. Gates, set up the Southern Education Board. In 1913 the organization was incorporated into the General Education Board. These boards set in motion “the deliberate dumbing down of America”. From “The Country School of Tomorrow” Occasional Papers No. 1 (General Education Board, New York, 1913) was a section entitled “A Vision of the Remedy” in which we find; (emphasis mine)

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“Is there aught a remedy for this neglect of rural life? Let us, at least, yield ourselves to the gratifications of a beautiful dream that there is. In our dream, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our moulding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up from among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.”

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If you, or anyone else, would like a little history lesion unlike anything you were ever taught in school you might want to check the following site.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...ancial-tyranny

But be forewarned this is a very very loooong article, it has a number of sections/chapters, it is not something you breeze through digest in one sitting. However I feel it will be well worth the time as you will come away with an entirely new perspective of what is actually going on the world today and how we got here.
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Of course. Isn't that the whole objective of the card companies? They want you to be in debt up to your eyeballs as that is how they are able to make a ton of money off of you. They assume that you are not smart enough to realize that paying 22-25% interest is a total rip off. Anyone that regularly pays off their balance every month is of no real value to them.
Meanwhile, the Fed steals 40% of our paychecks, and most folks worship them. What's going on?
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Meanwhile, the Fed steals 40% of our paychecks, and most folks worship them. What's going on?
I think many fall into the trap of believing obama when he says only the rich will be paying higher rates. However some are starting to realize that that’s not quite true.

For many I believe that they only look at the numbers on the face of their pay check as being there real income because those are the one that they can actually spend.
Those other numbers on the check stub might just as well be imaginary numbers because they cannot be spent and the individual has no control of them.

But here is a thought to limit government spending. Government looks to receiving this income tax withholding on a regular basis. Now what would happen if everyone decided to tell their employer not to take out any withholding tax. That is your right. Of course you are still responsible for those tax dollars at the end of the year, but if every week you put those dollars into your own special tax saving account you would have the money plus even a few extra dollars in interest.

But, but, but our illustrious politicians would be deprived of that continual trickle of money coming in and they might actually here to start doing some real budgeting. Maybe even cut spending.






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