RFID chipping in the Healthcare Bill

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As each of these laws are enacted, especially ones that invade our privacy, Congress will act to bar it. Unless the special interest groups get to them. Else powerful people will see that it gets to the Supreme Court.

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These chips are a huge bunch of BS as far as I\'m concerned.
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\n But not just lost or stolen, you can be identified in the event of the next natural disaster - you know, 1000 ft tsunami on a LAKE!! Dreaded hurricane near the desert *category 6 or more - or BLINDING BLIZZARD in the Keys, etc. Or, whatever (fake killer weather thing) they throw at us and blame something random. It is to make it easier on them to identify the remains.\r\n

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\n But not just lost or stolen, you can be identified in the event of the next natural disaster - you know, 1000 ft tsunami on a LAKE!! Dreaded hurricane near the desert *category 6 or more - or BLINDING BLIZZARD in the Keys, etc. Or, whatever (fake killer weather thing) they throw at us and blame something random. It is to make it easier on them to identify the remains.

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Umm... Well, you know, there is a huge flaw with that line of reasoning.. What happens if the chip gets lost? IE it\'s in your hand right, well the Tsunami comes along, you bit the big one, and some shark eats your hand... What then?? Not so useful there is it? Then they will say you need 5 chips to help monitor your health. One in your neck, both hands, and both feet...! \r\n

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Now people are analysing the bill its clear why Nancy Pelosi didnt want anybody to read it before it was passed into law.
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you cannot blame that on Nancy. Any Congressman who votes in favor of passing a law without even reading it should be
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you cannot blame that on Nancy. Any Congressman who votes in favor of passing a law without even reading it should be
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I think Nancy fits that description, no?
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\nMicrochips will be so much faster than wrist tattoos. Just think of the savings to the American taxpayer!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n The RFID Chips are not mandated at this time. If HR 3200 had passed then the chips would have been required by March 2013 but that particular bill did NOT pass. A simliar bill (ObamaCare) was passed and it does not mandate the RFID chips. However, Obama can have it added back in the bill as an amendment once the US Supreme Court says the bill (law) in its entirety is legal and binding. He can use an Executive Order or have the Senate/Congress add it.
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\r\nPlease check out: https://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp
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[Mad Scientest]

\r\n \r\n While this has nothing to do with health care it is part of the plan. Should you decide to sell your home there will be a 3.8% tax that you will have to pay. (on $100.000 that�s $3800) Although maybe that is how they plan to help pay for this �affordable healthcare�.
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\n I went to a healthcare conference at local collage last Monday. Got to see Dr. Mercola, and a Dr. Bellar, who has apparently has actually read the entire obamacare plan, plus a couple local politicians. They talked about some of the great joys we�re about to experience under this plan.
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Personally, I hope it never gets mandated in my life time. I know it will eventually happen though because the Holy Bible says it will.

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Hello Eliz, and welcome to the forum! I\'m with you, I hope nothing so personally invasive gets put through if my lifetime, and preferably never. I don\'t even get my pets microchipped.\r\n

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\r\nI am worried that to many people will not stand up and voice their objections about this chip and about certain parts of the "ObamaCare" bill/law. If the US Supreme finally decides to allow the "ObamaCare" bill/law then Mr. O can issue an Executive Order and have the part about the RFID chip added to the bill/law as an admendment as well as other things that were removed from the original bill so that this particular bill could pass.
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\r\nI will not ever agree to allow this or any other RFID chip be implanted in me whether it is "the mark of the beast" or not. I will not take that chance. Beside that, if God had meant for me to have a chip in me then He would have made me with one. That is my personal belief and I will not change my beliefs unless God tells me that they are wrong. I hear what people say about things and then let God guide me as to whether to believe the person or not. My trust and faith are in God and not in man.
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\r\nBeside my personal beliefs about receiving the chip, there is the issue that animals that received chips are now displaying cancer believed to be due to the chip. If animals are getting cancer from the chips than it stands to reason that humans can get cancer from them as well. I have enough medical issues to deal with already without adding cancer to the list.
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\r\n \r\n I fail to see (and I read the bill) how this is really supposed to benefit anyone? I mean easier identification or whatever.. But really... I don\'t know...
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[happy2bhere]

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\nHR 3200 was a strawman. What about HR 3962 ?
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\n Submitted by Lysiandad on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:56. Permalink
\n HR 3200 was a strawman. What about HR 3962 ?
\n Btw: careful, there are two distinct bills with unrelated content sharing the same 3962 number, strangely enough. I question only one of the two, see below.
\n HR 3200 was their first attempt. Snopes.com STILL mentions it as a fallacious excuse for "conspiracy theorists".
\n Folks, we focus a lot on either HR 3200 (obsolete, never passed) or HR 3590 (passed).
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\n As it turns out I can read English and I did read ... HR 3962, which has passed the House :
\n https://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
\n https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_Amer...
\n (What does "engrossed bill" mean, btw ? I\'m not familiar with that part of the legalese. I\'m not even a citizen yet, still learning about your texts and processes.)
\n And it\'s in this HR 3962 that the "class II devices" phrasing replaces the former of HR 3200 which was more explicit about RFID devices.
\n Read again, it\'s in plain English, after all :
\n "... may include, as the Secretary determines appropriate and specifies in regulation, a class II device that is life-supporting or life-sustaining."
\n As a software engineer, bear with me, I am extremely attentive to punctuation.
\n Two important commas above, and what\'s in between, in there.
\n How do you think the Secretary in charge will proceed to "determine appropriate" the above criteria ?
\n I don\'t know for sure if this has force of law but IT DOES rely on one specific individual\'s interpretation. In THEIR office.
\n What does this tell you :
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\n "as the doctor and/or patient determines appropriate"
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\n But ... Er.. Sorry, no. Instead, it\'s gonna be the Secretary.
\n 2. WHO defines the nomenclature of devices classes ? Well... the FDA. Is the FDA independent from the government ? I\'m not sure.
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\n PLEASE someone PROVE to me this version above of HR 3962 IS INDEED obsolete and without effect.
\n It is all I want ... To be really reassured.
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\nIBM\'s Digital Billboard Displays Individualized Ads By Reading the RFID Data in Your Wallet
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\nScientists Use Precise Flashes of Light to Implant False Memories in Fly Brains https://www.popsci.com/science/articl...s-brains-flies
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Hmmm....this is frightening - https://www.kuleuven.ac.be/fortand/MF...06_RFID_01.pdf
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You\'ve never seen the movie "12 Monkeys" have you? They used the chip in the molar to track and to communicate.
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And many, sad to say, will welcome it with open arms...or mouths ;o
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And many, sad to say, will welcome it with open arms...or mouths ;o
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\n USA Today reports that BP has been given permission by the Indiana Department of Environmental Management (?) to continue to dump mercury into Lake Michigan. A 1995 federal regulation prohibits this; BP\'s Indiana permit is a continued exemption. BP reports dumping 3 POUNDS of mercury into Lake Michigan each year from 2002 to 2005. 3 POUNDS of mercury each of those years.
\nMercury is a neurotoxin; our region already has warnings about consumption of our own fish, especially for pregnant women and children.
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\nLake Michigan has a retention period of 99 YEARS, according to EPA figures. This means that each year\'s dump of 3 pounds of mercury is added to BP\'s previous dumpings. None of us will live to see this mercury leave Lake Michigan to Lake Huron, then to Lake St. Clair, then Lake Erie, then Lake Ontario, then finally into the St. Lawrence river. After its 99 years in Lake Michigan, it\'ll spend 22 in Lake Huron, a "quick" 2.6 in Lake Erie, and 6 in Lake Ontario.
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\nFour states in our region border Lake Michigan. No matter which you live in, or if you live in a state that will eventually have this toxin in its water, or if you\'re outside our region, it\'s time to speak up. Letters to the editor, facebook (where I first heard about the dumping), don\'t stay silent. A mercury-free Lake Michigan, with its current 1069 votes in our facebook poll, is worth some words, letters, postings. How about if each 1,069 voters (so far) writes a letter? THAT would send a message.
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\nIndiana officials said the amount of mercury released by BP was minor.
\n "The permitted levels will not affect drinking water, recreation or aquatic life," Indiana Department of Environmental Management Commissioner Thomas Easterly told the Chicago Tribune.
\n BP said it doubted that any municipal sewage treatment plant or industrial plant could meet the stringent federal standards." Whatev...)\r\n

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[Solstice Goat]

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\nComic book hero superpowers may be one step closer to reality after the latest technological feats made by researchers at UT Dallas. They have designed an imager chip that could turn mobile phones into devices that can see through walls, wood, plastics, paper and other objects.https://www.utdallas.edu/news/2012/4...icle-wide.html\r\n

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[liverock]

Now people are analysing the bill its clear why Nancy Pelosi didnt want anybody to read it before it was passed into law.

https://www.arewelivinginthelastdays....ealthcare.html

This new law requires an RFID chip implanted in all of us. This chip will not only contain your personal information with tracking capability but it will also be linked to your bank account. And get this, Page 1004 of the new law (dictating the timing of this chip), reads, and I quote: "Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment". It is now the law of the land that by March 23rd 2013 we will all be required to have an RFID chip underneath our skin and this chip will be link to our bank accounts as well as have our personal records and tracking capability built into it.