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I spent last night watching the videos available on youtube by Dr Thomas Levy discussing vitamin C therapy, thanks to Truestorytotell. According to Dr Levy IV vitamin C is now a legal FDA approved product in New Zealand. All they need to do there now is for patients and families to start demanding its use in hospital. No court order will be needed. They also had the man who recently was brought back from deaths shore (with the use of vitamin c applied only after court order) in New Zealand present and speaking his testimony.

From there I went to Dr Donsbachs videos on Liposomal nutrients. They are quite revealing also.

It is clear that liposomal applications are the direction that we need to go in order to maximize absorption as well as bang for our buck. Seems like we should be emptying out most of our capsules into a sonic jewelry cleaner and transforming our supplements into something that will provide a new level of nourishment for us.

I thought that we could take this tread and start to report on everything that we can find out about on liposomal applications, dosages and home manufacturing of such supplements. We can also report noted effects.

If codex takes from us our right to supplements we can circumvent their ill intent by transforming our nutrients into more powerful applications, as well as the herbs that we grow.

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Part 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA2fqQ1l_Hw

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


PART 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

PART 6
In this video Dr Donsbach talks about making liposomal c by using a heating and cooling process along with micronizing the c. I think the sonic process will micronize it but I am not sure if the sonic machines also heat it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=




UNDER this video in the comments mentions that on April 15 Dr Donsbach was sentenced to one year in jail. Im sorry to hear this. Donsbach has been my hero for 30 years and he is the one who restored my mobility in 1994 though his arthritis protocol. I do not think that this little glitch will slow him down. Many thousands stand behind him an promote is work.


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So I have read that in making liposomal products at home that some are turning to using a stick blender instead of a sonic machine, as in a sonic jewelry cleaner. I am wondering if this will be as effective. A stick blender may be less expensive, but will it affect the molecules in the right way?

I have also noted that some of the sonic jewelry cleaners only stay turned on for 2 minutes, which is not long enough to get the job done and hence you must hover over it to keep turing it on... so we need to find a machine that will stay on longer.

Here is a more industrial look at a liposomal preparation being made


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Liposomal Products... note the different nutrients in these products besides vitamin C


http://www.healthyitems.com/CAN-HELP-p/601.16.htm

Dr. Donsbachs Products
http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Search...&Submit=Search

this site offers articles on liposomal science
http://www.livonlabs.com/

http://www.empirical-labs.com/produc...alvitaminc.htm

http://www.davincilabs.com/vitamins_...iposomal-c.php

http://drjimchan.com/companies/choic...omal-vitamin-c
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Making Liposomal C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

This one is different from what I have seen so far. Perhaps this is more a topical formula.
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This one is different from what I have seen so far. Perhaps this is more a topical formula.
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What do you mean by "stick blender"? Do you mean one of those hand held blenders with blades? I hope so. I don't want to buy a sonic cleaner. I hope you can find more info. Those liposomal products are expensive. I'm not saying that they are not worth it. Just expensive.
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What do you mean by "stick blender"? Do you mean one of those hand held blenders with blades? I hope so. I don't want to buy a sonic cleaner. I hope you can find more info. Those liposomal products are expensive. I'm not saying that they are not worth it. Just expensive.

A stick blender will give you some results. that ultrasonic horn you saw emusify the water and mineral oil and surfactant is also known as a disrupter. If you touch it, it will rupture the cells where it touches you. So make liposomes, you will need a surfactant (lecithin). How much vit C do you plan to take daily?
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So make liposomes, you will need a surfactant (lecithin). How much vit C do you plan to take daily?
The video said mineral oil I believe. Maybe that was just for demonstration. I would not take mineral oil.

The point is not really how much vitamin C as how much liposomal will be better bioavailable. And my question would be, why not take more vitamin C, instead of investing in liposomal which is more expensive.
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The video said mineral oil I believe. Maybe that was just for demonstration. I would not take mineral oil.

The point is not really how much vitamin C as how much liposomal will be better bioavailable. And my question would be, why not take more vitamin C, instead of investing in liposomal which is more expensive.
That was a demonstration.
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What do you mean by "stick blender"? Do you mean one of those hand held blenders with blades? I hope so. I don't want to buy a sonic cleaner. I hope you can find more info. Those liposomal products are expensive. I'm not saying that they are not worth it. Just expensive.

I've shopped for stick blenders before, a hand held blender for my soap making. They are not cheap either. I think I will go for the sonic jewelry cleaner as I suspect I will be making a lot of this stuff. Before I purchased a stick blender to do this I would want to be assured that the stick blender will affect the molecules in the same fashion as the sonic cleaner.

Pre-prepared liposomal products are not cheap but they are way less expensive than having an IV of vitamin c. It is a good alternative to do at home and you could likely keep your serum vitamin c levels quite high, perhaps even better than with an IV which could be critical in a serious disease.

I know I've mentioned before that I have seen people with cancer use IV vitamin c and they died anyway. I always wondered why it didn't work. I know one gal used 50grams daily and I watched her run it into her pic line at home. But since vitamin c does not stay in the system very long, and certainly not near 24 hours perhaps this is why it failed her? Perhaps she needed 100grams given several times a day by IV? With the homemade liposomal product you will have little limitation due to cost or time or access or anything that could possibly get in your way.

The other aspect that is so intriguing to me is formulating a multi combo product so Im looking for sites that sell their version to see what they are putting in them.

I have been slowly gathering together the ingredients for protandim to make my own batch.. read about the formula at the following link.
Some of the ingredients of protandim are already used in liposomal form, especially the curcumin. Why not all the herbs? Would it not mean that your dosage could be much smaller saving lots of money, and perhaps even more effective? I don't think I would need the biopeperine if I made it liposomal.
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The video said mineral oil I believe. Maybe that was just for demonstration. I would not take mineral oil.

The point is not really how much vitamin C as how much liposomal will be better bioavailable. And my question would be, why not take more vitamin C, instead of investing in liposomal which is more expensive.


I would not use mineral oil either and of course the preferred oil so far is in lecithin and I put that video up for different viewpoints in manufacturing of products... I was actually looking more at the tool they were using than their ingredients.

Well, Im sure that you are aware of bowel tollerance with vitamin c. Your gut can only handle so many milligrams before diarrhea sets on.. which of course limits its usage.

With IV vitamin c much much higher dosages can be administered, like 50 grams and up with no ill effect. Watch Dr Thomas Levy vitamin c videos on youtube.

These high dosages are often required to cure severe disease and especially cancer and c will cure some cancers or stop their growth, especially if not chemo has been done to damage the entire system.. Also, IV application is the choice for the unconscious person. A liquid liposomal could be given to a conscious person if they had a feeding tube like the stituation grandmaflorist had with her daughter when she was in the hospital. In this case you could even bypass the physician to save your loved one's life. You would just need to be there to do it. thats all.

Now I use mega dosaes of vitamin c to bowel tolerance in capsule form relatively frequently and the kids hated me for it... although now they even reach for the c when they start to get sick becasue it certainly works in lesser diseases. No diarrhea with liposomal and IV levels of c is obtained easily. Wouldn't it be great to have a liposomal form to give to a young child, even a toddler?
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Sonic fingers cost a lot and that was a larger one. A few thou at least.
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Is this what you mean by stick blender? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kalorik-Su...White/10251254 or http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-.../dp/B0006G3JRO

I already have one. I'd rather use something that I can repurpose than a jewelry cleaner for which I have no use.

I'd like to try to make the lipisome vitamin C at least. Are there instructions using the stick blender. I mean amount of time required for the blending with a stick blender. If all else fails, at least the lecithin is very beneficial as well as the vitamin C.
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Yep, those are stick blenders. and I certainly would not purchase the cheap one. the better ones vibrate more.. I can only assume that they use the sonic jewelry cleaner because it sends out many waves that break down particles.. so that these particles can encapsulate the c. Im not at all certain that a stick blender can do it as good.

Harbor Freight has a sonic jewelry cleaner on sale this week for 29.95, reduced $10 (lot #3305). It will make one pint at a time. The also have one for $74.99. reduce $10, (lot# 95563) that can hold 2.5 liter. That may be the one I go for.

www.harborfreight.com or 1-800-423-2567
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I have used liposomal vitamin c to boost my immune system. I find it superior to any of the powder or tablets/capsules.
Here in New Zealand where the farmer was from we are lucky in that we have our own producer of it.
I buy mine from nzhealthstore.co.nz - it is NZLF Liposomal C.
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