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Default Baking soda daily...ok or bad?

I have been reading different articles for some time about the benifits of baking soda (sodium bicarb) and have weened my self daily "tums" type antacids (which I think is good) by using baking soda, I probably use about a tsp daily (I take approx. 1/4 tsp a few times a day).

I monitor my saliva and urine ph once a week or so and when I started monitoring a year ago or so my urine ran around a 5 - 6 (which I thought was not that bad) but I used to get urinary tract infections quite often, and read a article about using baking soda...at first I was using probably 2-3 tsp daily that kept my stomach feeling ok, got off the tums and it made the urinary infections disappear, now the urine is usually around 7.

I am a believer now in what sodium bicarb can do and also believe in what magnesium can do as it has helped me with regularity and it seems to help with energy a bit.

Dr. Sircus is an advocate of both magnesium and sodium bicarb and talks about magnesium/bicarbonate water or "Unique water" as Dr. Beckett call's it.

There are lots of opinions around...including a couple of articles that talked about the "dangers" of long time supplementing with baking soda, and one article stated that it should be used for no more than 2 weeks at a time and not to exceed 2 tsp a day and if the blood ph gets to high it can be fatal!

I am curious about the opinions/personal experiences here.

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Not good for your digestion. Stomach acid needs to be acid. As you get older that is not happening. You are making it worse. Your body has over 200 redundant pH buffers, so you may be defeating many of them.

Here is some help http://www.owndoc.com/diet/ph-balanc...ct-or-fiction/ As she says, We’re talking about the “Acid / alkaline pH balance diet” – a most persistent and damaging myth.
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I have been taking a digestive supplement with most of my meals to help with digestion but my digestion has always been good!, it's mainly between meals that I would get heartburn to such a degree that it would make me sick, so pop a Tums or Rolaids and all was well...for the moment...but knowing this could not be good long term and they did not help the heartburn/acid indigestion/reflux stop or get better someone suggested good old baking soda and it has helped much more.

So according to the article at "OwnDoc" eating meats don't cause the acidic environment in our bodies and don't seem to have the negative effects that mainstream medicine say...I can believe this but are urine/saliva test worthless?....from the article..."Urine/saliva pH tests as administered by quacks of various denominations are hogwash. Don’t get suckered into yet another diet scam."

For 20+ years I have had a course of antibiotics 1-2 times per year for recurring bladder infections, since I have been using the baking soda the infection feeling is almost gone, the slight burning IS gone and I can hold more (almost the amount of when I was in my 30's) again...this is definitely better by (I assume the sodium bicarb) and taking the urine ph from ~5 to ~7.

I know some natural products are very powerful and to much of anything can perhaps go the other way and become counter productive and some supplements like vitamins you need daily and other supplements you don't, and now I have read now in two places about how powerful sodium bicarb is and how "their opinion" it should not be used long term which seems to contradict with Dr. Sircus opinion of sodium bicarb, I thought I would ask here for some more.
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Dr. Sircus is an advocate of both magnesium and sodium bicarb and talks about magnesium/bicarbonate water or "Unique water" as Dr. Beckett call's it.
"Dr" Sircus is not even a doctor and is a flaming quack of the worst sort.

Excessive/long-term use of baking soda can be quite dangerous. Pls reconsider.
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Dr Sircus is a doctor.

This is what he says about himself. In my book an acupuncturist is a doctor. Maybe not in yours. I would trust his advice before yours.


I hold the honorary title of doctor of Oriental medicine and was one of the first nationally certified acupuncturists in the United States over 20 years ago. I have distilled divergent medical systems to an essence that provides a roadmap toward a unified medicine that can be practiced by allopath and non allopath alike.
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"Dr" Sircus is not even a doctor and is a flaming quack of the worst sort.

Excessive/long-term use of baking soda can be quite dangerous. Pls reconsider.
He has the title...and a lot of money and a very extensive/expensive web site, lot's of exposure, and doing a fair amount in the medical field, etc...if he is a "flaming quack" and giving bad advise that can/will hurt people, he would be up to his neck in law suits...wouldn't he?
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Dr Sircus is a doctor.
No, sorry, he is not. He has no license to practice medicine. Even he admits his "doctorate degree" is honorary. This means he didn't earn it or pass a single class or test to get it. Basically someone walked up to him and went "you're a doctor." How or why anyone would think someone calling someone else a doctor suddenly makes it so baffles me, but to each their own.
What he really is is a certified acupuncturist; no more, no less.

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I would trust his advice before yours.
Fine, that doesn't bother or matter to me in the least. The diff is I'm not claiming to have some "amazing cure" for cancer or other sicknesses/diseases or touting myself as a doctor or expert in the field of medicine in any way.

I would also hope people would be wise enough to at least be suspicious of anyone who throws out nonsensical silliness such as "cancer is a fungus" or say things which talk a lot and say nothing, such as:

"I have distilled divergent medical systems to an essence that provides a roadmap toward a unified medicine that can be practiced by allopath and non allopath alike"
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He has the title...and a lot of money and a very extensive/expensive web site, lot's of exposure, and doing a fair amount in the medical field, etc...if he is a "flaming quack" and giving bad advise that can/will hurt people, he would be up to his neck in law suits...wouldn't he?
So because someone gave him a title called "doctor of oriental medicine" (whatever that means) and is rich and has a fancy web site, he must be right!

This is the logic you're standing behind. Yikes.

But in fairness, you have a lot of company; an amazing number of people have been duped by similar logic, ie how could someone with all those long titles behind their name be a fraud? Look, there's a fancy official-looking web site and everything! FYI it's not hard to create a fancy-looking web site.

As for "doing a fair amount in the medical field," what evidence do you have of this? We already know he has no real degree or license to practice medicine. What medical journals is he published in? Substantiated proof or evidence of his claims?

As for lawsuits, that's probably because of this disclaimer he has on his site (surprise, it's at the very bottom in really tiny letters) - note the parts I bold-faced. He is at least smart enough to cover his own butt:

"The information you will receive with our consultations is for informational purposes only under the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution for the United States of America, and should not in any way be used as a substitute for the advice of a physician or other licensed health care practitioner. The statements contained on my sites and in my books have not been evaluated by the FDA. The products discussed are not intended to diagnose, cure, prevent or treat any disease but are proven useful for health and life extension. We always recommend when and wherever possible that licensed local healthcare professionals be consulted."

I'm sorry if any of you are offended by my comments. Again, to each their own and I am not trying to say you're dumb or whatever. But frauds like this disgust me in the extreme, and I am always saddened when I see people falling for their nonsense and am only trying to get you to take a harder and perhaps more objective look at these things. I wish you the best of health regardless.
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Actually Bill, as far fetched as it may seem to you, sodium bicarbonate and the fact that it can alter the ph of a tumour and prevent metastasis is being investigated by cancer researchers, and is not just the the province of " quacks" as you put it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19276390

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21155627

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/co...e2=tf_ipsecsha
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Thx for the link lr. Interesting and hopeful. I am not saying no way will this ever be useful, but some mixed results with mice is quite a diff story than working on humans, and ingesting baking soda is not a cure/effective treatment for cancer as people like Sircus claim. That's my point.
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I'm sorry if any of you are offended by my comments. Again, to each their own and I am not trying to say you're dumb or whatever. But frauds like this disgust me in the extreme, and I am always saddened when I see people falling for their nonsense and am only trying to get you to take a harder and perhaps more objective look at these things. I wish you the best of health regardless.

Sorry if any of my comments offend but but people like you disgust me.

Sircus is not a fraud. He presents exactly who he is.

On the other hand you do not.

People on this forum are not very interested in your type of health advice. Thats why they come here instead of where you would have them go.
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Bill5,
I would like to know how healthy you are. How many medicines do you currently take? How many in your family are alive and healthy? Has main stream medicine brought you and your family health and well being or are they just getting by, going to the drug store to pick up their prescription for whatever disease they have been diagnosed with by a medical doctor or worse yet died on the operating table or after years of chemotherapy that made their last years miserable? If you have the answers for health then please share because that is what we do here. We are looking for solutions and not a dead end program that is made up of medicine or surgery that never addresses the underlying issue of ill health. Most modern medical doctors don't know what the cause of illness is. That is ridiculous!
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Sorry if any of my comments offend but but people like you disgust me.

Sircus is not a fraud. He presents exactly who he is.

On the other hand you do not.

People on this forum are not very interested in your type of health advice. Thats why they come here instead of where you would have them go.
A big second to this!!!

This is why I am here!, mainstream medicine as not cured me of much, actually I believe NO medicine can cure you, only the body can cure it's self and the correct supplements and a re balance of the body may help!

Thank you Arrow and MS
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Sircus is not a fraud. He presents exactly who he is.
You mean like how he calls himself a "doctor" and "medical researcher?" Riiiiight. No deception there. FYI the most commonly understood definition of "doctor" is: a person licensed to practice medicine. He is not. And he is no more a "medical researcher" than you or I. Oh yeah, what an honest guy.


But really what I was speaking of most was his backing of products and methods which he claims work but cannot provide verifiable evidence of working, all the while trying to paint conventional medicine and doctors as being these mean, evil, demon-like creatures. A child could see how ridiculous it all is. For example:

"The majority of pediatricians are mean and arrogant and they love their poisonous needles and take every opportunity to inject no matter what the condition is of their young patients."

Yeah I remember last time I was at a pediatrician's office, I wondered what was up with those red horns and forked tongues they had. How could any sane person could buy into such ridiculous rubbish?

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People on this forum are not very interested in your type of health advice. Thats why they come here instead of where you would have them go.
Again your delusion of thinking you speak for everyone on this site. And I would not "have them go" to any particular site. As for my advice, you may note not once have I gone "all natural treatments are worthless! Go see a doctor and start taking lots of medicine for no reason!" etc etc. I hate to break it to you, but this is not an "us vs them" battle. "My type of health advice" has simply been to suggest they look at any health or treatment options with (unlike you) both eyes wide open in a sane, rational, intelligent way, and (for starters) realize that neither conventional medicine nor the "alternative community" have all the answers - and so not automatically believe in some "natural" or "miracle cure" just because it sounds flashy and a dream come true. That is also childish, foolish, and potentially very dangerous. For whatever its faults and imperfections may be, conventional medicine is at least tested, regulated, and proven to one degree or other. Not so with "alternative" methods; people can claim it does whatever they want.

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Sorry if any of my comments offend but but people like you disgust me.
Sorry if any of my comments offend but you not only tragically close-minded and deluded, but are one of the most obnoxious, immature people I have ever encountered, and that's saying quite a lot. From the start you have not only been totally incapable of addressing or disputing any of the comments I've made about the actual topics, but done little exect throw fits and spew insults at me that my 6-year old nephew would roll his eyes at. Didn't your parents ever teach you about this thing called manners? Grow up.


On second thought, do whatever you want; I just realized this site has an ignore feature which I will now use. That way I can have discussions only with those on this site who feel intellect matters more than emotional outbursts and who I may disagree with, but can at least have a conversation with.
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We are looking for solutions and not a dead end program that is made up of medicine or surgery that never addresses the underlying issue of ill health. Most modern medical doctors don't know what the cause of illness is. That is ridiculous!
You do not appear to be looking for solutions in general, but only for "natural" solutions. If a solution presents itself which includes surgery or any conventional medicine in any way, you appear to be automatically dismissing it as bad or evil or whatever. I wonder: if you or someone you loved had a heart attack or suddenly collapsed and was out cold, or had some unbearable, agonizing pain, would you call an ambulance and/or drive them to the hospital, or just put them to bed and have them take some natural/miracle cure? And if you did the latter and it didn't help or things got even worse, would you continue to do so?

As for "most modern medical doctors don't know what the cause of illness is," can you be a little more specific? FYI the cause of MANY illnesses is well known. The modern/conventional medicine estabishment some of you seem to think is so horrible is the one who discovered (among many other things) germs, bacteria etc AND many ways to treat the diseases we now know cause them. Yes, conventional medicine did all that, not "natural healers." Do you at least realize germs exist and cause many illnesses, or do you consider that some hundreds of years old conspiracy? Are you aware than many diseases (malaria, polio, on and on the list goes) are now all but eradicated, thanks to modern medicine (eg vaccines)?
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