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Old 03-17-2011, 02:27 AM
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Right now I'm taking Fish Oil 1400 mg a day, maqui supperberry anti-oxident 740 mg, Krill Oil, L-Arginine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Biotin, Super goat weed, Vitamin D3 5000 IU, and Vatamin C

Is there such thing ass too many supplements? It should be already if they are all different and support a different function right?
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Old 03-17-2011, 09:13 AM
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Yes there is such a thing as too much supplements.. IMO most are un-needed anyway. Your not taking too many though.. but thats really a personal choice. Just make sure you know exactly what each one is doing and how and if you really need it.. also monitor yourself and see if it has an effect, if not, ditch it and resist the urge to add more just beacuse they are "good for you" because you could be taking hundreds of supps. Why are you taking each one?

Vitamin C you could get from a lemon, drink warm water with a half/whole lemon squeezed into it and youve got all the vit C you will need right there, in a better form anyway.

Im assuming the arginine, ALA and goat weed is for erections. Should work relatively well.. but remember to cycle the goat weed, dont take it indefinitely, maybe few days on, few days off.. and arginine.. I think its better taken 30 minutes before sex, dont think theres a need to take it everyday if your not gonna have sex, I read that your body uses it within an hour or two so.. makes more sense to take it 30 mins - 1hour before.. also remember it lowers blood pressure etc. so dont take too much.
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I would agree that you need to define your health goals before taking something just because it is "healthy". When you have done this you can then find a way to measure each goal. I think that is what is really important so you know what is working and what isn't.

I would also look for whole food sources of some of these items as suggested. There are certainly some items you can't get in a reasonable amount of food, vitamin D3 for example.
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Yes there is such a thing as too much supplements.. IMO most are un-needed anyway. Your not taking too many though.. but thats really a personal choice. Just make sure you know exactly what each one is doing and how and if you really need it.. also monitor yourself and see if it has an effect, if not, ditch it and resist the urge to add more just beacuse they are "good for you" because you could be taking hundreds of supps. Why are you taking each one?

Vitamin C you could get from a lemon, drink warm water with a half/whole lemon squeezed into it and youve got all the vit C you will need right there, in a better form anyway.

Im assuming the arginine, ALA and goat weed is for erections. Should work relatively well.. but remember to cycle the goat weed, dont take it indefinitely, maybe few days on, few days off.. and arginine.. I think its better taken 30 minutes before sex, dont think theres a need to take it everyday if your not gonna have sex, I read that your body uses it within an hour or two so.. makes more sense to take it 30 mins - 1hour before.. also remember it lowers blood pressure etc. so dont take too much.

Most of the vitamins are for hypersensitivity from the sun, and rosacea, the L-arginine and Goat weed are indeed for erections.

Wait L-arginine lowers blood pressure? Does it increase blood pressure for a couple hours for an erection, then it lowers blood pressure for the rest of the day? How can it help erections if it is lowering my blood pressure?

I got some viagra, I'm about to go f*** like jack rabbits here in a couple of days : )
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I would agree that you need to define your health goals before taking something just because it is "healthy". When you have done this you can then find a way to measure each goal. I think that is what is really important so you know what is working and what isn't.

I would also look for whole food sources of some of these items as suggested. There are certainly some items you can't get in a reasonable amount of food, vitamin D3 for example.
The fish oil, Krill, D3, vitamin C, berry antioxidants, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Biotin are all for hypersensitivity from the sun

The good thing about fish oil and krill and D3 is that it will also increase my memory and help my immune system. I guess I had some spelling errors in my last post that made me come off as maybe ignorant.

The goat weed and L-arginine are just for erections.
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Most of the vitamins are for hypersensitivity from the sun, and rosacea, the L-arginine and Goat weed are indeed for erections.

Wait L-arginine lowers blood pressure? Does it increase blood pressure for a couple hours for an erection, then it lowers blood pressure for the rest of the day? How can it help erections if it is lowering my blood pressure?

I got some viagra, I'm about to go f*** like jack rabbits here in a couple of days : )
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Arginine on an empty stomach produces very mild viagra like effects. Let us know how the viagra works.
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you should consult your Dr. about your intake.
Why? What do doctors know about supplements?
Most doctors know so little they prescribe the D2 form of vitamin D which actually speeds up the catabolism so you waste it faster so RX/PRESCRIPTION vitamin D does more harm than good.
Try getting magnesium from your doctor and I'll bet they will prescribe magnesium oxide. That is a dam good laxative but will do nothing to correct magnesium deficiency. The reason magnesium oxide is a good laxative is because only 4% is absorbed. So 96% is absorbing water and making your stools loose and going down the loo. It won't, it can't correct magnesium deficiency, so your doctor is wasting your time and your money.
Most doctors get just one or two sessions on nutrition in their training.That is why the advice doctors give about weight loss, healthy eating etc does more harm than good.
The reason we have ever increasing rates of obesity is BECAUSE the advice given by health professionals is wrong, is dangerously misguided and does more harm than good. If we want people to stop eating as much we have to understand the switch that tells us we've consumed sufficient calories is governed by fat intake. We have to eat fat to switch off appetite.
Saturated fat.
BUTTER
LARD
DRIPPING
COCONUT OIL.
All traditional fats with a long history of safe usage.
Only if you have a doctor/health professional who understands the importance of coconut oil can you be confident you've a doctor who understands nutrition.
Most doctors confuse RDA with optimal daily amounts.
the RDA is the lowest amount at which adverse events do not occur in the immediate future. So the RDA for vitamin d is set at the amount below which rickets can be expected in a few weeks/months. It should not be confused with the amount at which optimum calcium absorption occurs not even the level at which daily needs are met nor the level at which everyone maximizes calcium uptake not the level at which human breast milk flows replete with vitamin d3.
If you want the protection vitamin d provides for mitochondria you have to have vitamin d stored inside the cell with the mitochondria.
Anyone with a 25(OH)D level below 60ng/ml 150nmol/l will not have sufficient stored D3 to protect mitochondria.
Go ask your doctor what constitutes vitamin D deficiency and most will say 20ng/ml 50nmol/l about a third of optimum vitamin d.
It's much like asking a banker how much money you can borrow. They will tell you the amount that keeps you locked into supplying them with profit not the amount that is in your best financial interests.
I was looking at some adverts for locum doctors today £100 an hour generally and up to £1000 daily in London. These are people who are in it for the money. Trust them as much as you would trust your estate agent, your banker, your second hand car dealer.
The idea that they put the patients best interests first is a myth and easy proved to be totally false.
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I have noticed that my regular doctor recommends much lower amounts of vitamin supplements, than my natural nutritionist.

My conventional Dr. says that larger amounts of supplements may cause problems and I don't know who to believe.

Have others noticed this as well?
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I have noticed that my regular doctor recommends much lower amounts of vitamin supplements, than my natural nutritionist.

My conventional Dr. says that larger amounts of supplements may cause problems and I don't know who to believe.

Have others noticed this as well?
But you need to understand what NATURAL levels of vitamin d your body would naturally make if you lay naked in the sun for a few minutes.
If your DNA is programmed to make 10,000iu whenever it's given the chance who do you think knows best. What suits the best financial interests of your doctor may not suit your best financial interests.

If we look at a graph of what actually happens in practice we can all see that for most people less than 5000iu/daily of vitamin D (that's about half the amount your skin will create if you are able to go naked in the sun) doesn't guarantee 25(OH)D levels above 60ng/ml.~ 150nmol/l. The level at which we can measure vitamin D inside tissue cells.

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It's much the same with magnesium. Doctors tend to misunderstand the RDA as implying this is the optimum amount for ideal health. It's nothing of the kind. The RDA is the MINIMUM AMOUNT that is required to prevent SHORT TERM conditions arising from deficiency status.
So if you don't get the RDA for magnesium you can expect to get diabetes, hypertension, depression within relatively short time. Most adults only get just over half the magnesium RDA and that is part of the reason why diabetes and Alzheimer's (both of which involve faulty glucose metabolism) are increasing. If we increased our Magnesium intake to Total 500~700mg/daily we would see a reduction in the incidence of both conditions but I doubt that would please big pharma so they will keep trying to persuade doctors that keeping supplements intakes as low as practicable is financially advantageous.
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I don't think your taking too many supplements, but don't think I've ever heard of a person who lived X amount of years do to supplements. I think a proper diet and exercise go longer than taking every supplement that's out there. The people who live the longest in the world don't take supplements, but then again they normally have healthier food than we do.
I take supplements every day and every night, so I'm not against vitamins and herbs, but I think some supplements you might be better off changing your diet. Some things like erection issues I can see why a supplement would be needed.
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Some things like erection issues I can see why a supplement would be needed.
But testosterone levels are linked to vitamin d status as well as testicular function and sperm quality

As changes have occurred in the way we live now (more indoors, more behind UVB filterning glass/plastics, more sunscreen/block, lower potential for creating vitamin d) global vitamin D status is lower now than at any point in human history. Diet can only at best provide 10% of the amount our body would create naturally if given the chance. We have to be realistic and acknowledge however much we may encourage readers to lay naked in the midday sun without burning or getting the skin red at all, this is NOT going to happen to any great extent and taking a Country Life, Gluten Free, Vitamin D3, 5,000 IU (vitamin D3 carried in MCT oil) every day is probably at $7.92 (£4.98) for 200days supply a cost effective efficient alternative. I get mine from IHERB (code wab666 saves initial $5) because their shipping to UK is cheapest. Amazon/Google shopping probably offer cheaper scources depending on shipping to your location.

We are not now living in the same ways our DNA evolved. We do not spend sufficient time either grounded to the earth or in direct sunlight, nor do we generally get sufficient bright light exposure during the day subdued light during the evening or adequate darkness at night. It is inevitable our potential for natural antioxidant production be it, Vitamin D3, melatonin, glutathione, carnosine or whatever is lower now than previously therefore it follows our need for supplemental antioxidants is far greater. Of course some of these are best sourced from foods but there is still a need for insurance as we cannot guarantee our food sources are all as good as we would like nor is it always possible now to obtain sufficient from food/lifestyle changes alone.

The natural ability of the human body to produce several anti oxidants declines as we age, younger than 35 yrs old and you're probably able to secrete vitamin D and melatonin but beyond that age and certainly by the time your 60yrs old the ability to generate these natural anti oxidant anti inflammatory agents declines and even if you do your best you are never going to match the production possible when you were a child/teenager.

It is simply misguided to suggest or imply that older people can manage fine without, Sure many do but with more pain, more infection and a lower quality of life than those who understand how best to use effective amounts of effective forms of evidence based supplements.
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Here's a Vitamin C study linking optimal (800 mg. versus the 60 mg RDA) Vitamin C intake to increased life span:

Vitamin C May Lengthen Life Span

Vitamin Cís multifaceted effects in protecting against cardiovascular disease may be partly responsible for the strong association between optimal vitamin C intake and increased life span.
For example, in a major study of more than 19,000 adults aged 45-79, subjects with the lowest plasma levels of vitamin C were twice as likely to die over the course of four years compared to those with the highest levels.15 Furthermore, rates of death from all causes and from cardiovascular disease decreased as vitamin C levels increased across the entire range of plasma vitamin C levels. Even controlling for age, blood pressure, cholesterol levels, cigarette smoking, diabetes, and supplement use, a rise in plasma vitamin C concentration equivalent to that of one fruit or vegetable serving daily was associated with about a 20% reduction in risk of death from all causes.
Similarly, a 10-year study from UCLA showed that in a population of more than 11,000 US adults aged 25-74, men who took 800 mg of vitamin C daily lived about six years longer than men who took only 60 mg of vitamin C daily.16 Even after controlling for smoking, education, race, diseases, and other factors affecting survival, higher vitamin C intake in men still predicted lower mortality. Increased vitamin C intake was likewise associated with greater longevity in women. Higher vitamin C intake reduced cardiovascular deaths by 42% in men and 25% in women.
Rupturing of atherosclerotic plaque (fatty buildup) in the artery wall can have fatal consequences, including sudden death from a heart attack. Animal studies suggest that chronic vitamin C deficiency contributes to the formation of unstable arterial plaque that is more likely to lead to life-threatening cardiovascular events.17 This association suggests yet another example of how vitamin Cís cardioprotective benefits may contribute to longer, healthier life spans.
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As was mentioned, if we lived optimally without pollution and were able to get all our nutrients from food we might not need supplements.

Excerpt from article on Resveratrol extending life span:
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<H2>Mechanisms by Which Resveratrol May Extend Life
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Today, scientists around the world are studying resveratrol to determine how it helps fight aging and prolong life span. Current evidence suggests that resveratrol exerts antioxidant effects, boosts energy production, and favorably alters patterns of gene expression.

Oxidative stress is implicated in numerous disease processes and in aging itself. Resveratrol demonstrates powerful antioxidant capabilities, with profound implications for human health. Scientists report that resveratrol inhibits the oxidation of dangerous low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and scavenges harmful hydroxyl radicals. Resveratrol also helps preserve levels of glutathione, one of the body’s most essential antioxidants.6 According to prominent resveratrol investigator Dr. Milos Sovak, “There is no question that resveratrol is one of the best free-radical scavengers and that it has many effects whose ramifications might affect not only longevity but also general health.”

Resveratrol stimulates energy production in the cellular powerhouses known as the mitochondria. Diminished mitochondrial energy production is associated with reduced longevity. By enhancing the production of life-sustaining energy, resveratrol may help protect against metabolic disease and obesity, thereby improving health and prolonging survival in animals.7

Growing evidence indicates that resveratrol influences many genetic pathways, which may underlie its ability to lengthen life. In the recent Harvard study, investigators noted that a high-calorie diet produced numerous changes in gene expression. However, supplemental resveratrol opposed the effects of this high-calorie diet in 144 of 153 significantly altered genetic pathways. Moreover, resveratrol’s effects were dose dependent, with larger amounts yielding greater effects, leading the investigators to suggest that resvera-trol may offer “new approaches for treating obesity-related disorders and diseases of aging.”7
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As was mentioned, if we lived optimally without pollution and were able to get all our nutrients from food we might not need supplements.
But we live in the real world where we cannot remove ourselves totally from the effects of pollution. While in theory we can get all the vitamin d our body requires from the UVB in sunlight many people reading this will live in urban environments where local ozone levels block UVB penetration to ground level while the UVA content of sunlight is magnified by reflection from walls, windows, hard surfaces and it's hard to avoid the UVA only exposure while behind glass windows, in shopping malls and the like.

It's also worth considering the extent to which our need for antioxidants is increased by our exposure to Electromagnetic field radiation?

You may find it interesting to read
Chronic Disease: Are We Missing Something? James L. Oschman, PhD

For those who prefer a shorter account Does Electrical Contact Between The Human Body And Earth Affect Health

The full text of the paper that gives rise to this speculation is available free here.
Earthing the Human Body Influences Physiologic Processes
Karol Sokal, MD, PhD,and Pawel Sokal, MD, PhD


Can electrons act as antioxidants? A review and commentary.

I'm writing this using the laptop in the garden summer house.
The fact I find it easier to concentrate here than working on the main PC may be just that I'm away from the phone/radio/printer etc. but I wonder if it could be the fact that as I walked across the lawn barefoot I discharged surplus electrical charge?
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But you need to understand what NATURAL levels of vitamin d your body would naturally make if you lay naked in the sun for a few minutes.
If your DNA is programmed to make 10,000iu whenever it's given the chance who do you think knows best. What suits the best financial interests of your doctor may not suit your best financial interests.

If we look at a graph of what actually happens in practice we can all see that for most people less than 5000iu/daily of vitamin D (that's about half the amount your skin will create if you are able to go naked in the sun) doesn't guarantee 25(OH)D levels above 60ng/ml.~ 150nmol/l. The level at which we can measure vitamin D inside tissue cells.

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It's much the same with magnesium. Doctors tend to misunderstand the RDA as implying this is the optimum amount for ideal health. It's nothing of the kind. The RDA is the MINIMUM AMOUNT that is required to prevent SHORT TERM conditions arising from deficiency status.
So if you don't get the RDA for magnesium you can expect to get diabetes, hypertension, depression within relatively short time. Most adults only get just over half the magnesium RDA and that is part of the reason why diabetes and Alzheimer's (both of which involve faulty glucose metabolism) are increasing. If we increased our Magnesium intake to Total 500~700mg/daily we would see a reduction in the incidence of both conditions but I doubt that would please big pharma so they will keep trying to persuade doctors that keeping supplements intakes as low as practicable is financially advantageous.
Where did you get this from because, I have exactly what it says, diabetes and hypertension. Will taking more magnesium help to reverse the process? I am still at a beginning stage, thank God.

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