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Old 09-25-2013, 02:34 AM
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I am willing to pay $$ for proper identification of any bacteria / fungus / virus etc



Its just that my doc is quite adamant that the urine test is sufficient

Now, I can go to a number of natural docs and they can charge me an arm and a leg for a bunch of silly 'we have the best lab' tests but I have been folled once too many.

is there any clinics that perform these tests? thanks
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G'day sow&reap,

If you are in Australia, nowhere .... And any lab that uses gold standard culture tests unless you have VRE, you won't get a result there either.

mdlab.com does PCR testing for enterococcus and they do a oneswab which can be done worldwide as long as the specimen gets to them within 5 days. My doctor refused to sign off on it as he thinks our Australian Medical System is perfect....

The only way I found it was is a little bit unorthodox .... I got a pile of mucus and put it up my rectum which resulted in IBS after a couple of days ..... I strongly suggest you don't do this Then I was able to do a stool sample and send to Bioscreen at the Melbourne University.

The Georgian's (Russia) tell me that they can cure enterococcus prostatitis using their phage therapy ... I found some scientific literature to support that claim and I would be there in a heartbeat if I hadn't found a clinic here in Australia that has started treating my IBS which will also fix the prostate.

I have now started the long road for getting these pathogens recognized. At the moment they are classed as 'normal flora' BUT, they have been sharing genetic material between them and now there are superbug strains which cause an auto-immune response that results in CFS, Fibromyalgia, kidney disease, arthritis, thyroiditis, cancer and a swag of other auto-immune conditions ...

They need to start taking this prostatitis more seriously long term inflammation kills ....

Cheers.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:54 PM
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Hi

Your scope of knowledge and treatment plan is quite unorthodox and quite intriguing as well

Can you point to any literature or research

I thank you for your time and really appreciate any new approaches as to how to tackle this - here in Canada - we get the cold shoulder from urologists once a few anti-biotic trials fail to address the issue

I meet with a pelvic floor specialist in several weeks. I also believe that issue is some type of unidentified virus, bacteria, fungus

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Hi S&R,

As "grist for your mill," are you aware of the almost miraculous results many tens (hundreds?) of THOUSANDS of people have experienced, dealing with MOST of the physical health issues known to humankind, from ingesting the powerful antioxidant, ascorbic acid?

If you are seriously interested in finding a solution to your health problem(s), and gaining better health in ALL areas of your body, I STRONGLY encourage you to read [at least the first ten paragraphs of] this article, written by Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D. http://vitamincfoundation.org/www.or...om/titrate.htm

It may just solve some or all of your health issue(s). You have only better health and well-being to gain by applying its recommendation. What have you got to lose?

These two quotes are instructive:

"There are more than ten thousand scientific papers that make it quite clear that there is not one body process (such as what goes on inside cells or tissues) and not one disease or syndrome (from the common cold to leprosy) that is not influenced - directly or indirectly - by vitamin C." -- Dr. Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D., Dr. Marshall Ringsdorf, D.M.D., and Dr. Emily Sisley, THE VITAMIN C CONNECTION.

I have never seen a patient that Vitamin C would not benefit. -- Dr. Frederick Klenner, M.D.

I wish you BEST success, S&R, in your search for better health!

Sincerely,

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Old 09-30-2013, 05:23 AM
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I will read the article. I too have found that in healthier times of my life I have been tking as much as 2000-3000 mgs a day.

without being able to cite any reasearch off hand I am the science community will support Vitamin C. Interestingly, I once asked my family MD for a high doseage prescription for Vit C in hopes of getting in cheaper. He checked his computer and then "stated he could find no ethical or scientific reason to write me for 1000 mgs per day. I roincially It wouldnt matter as my hopes of havin hih doses covered under a med plan are not an option. so I am fee to take as much as I want

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Hi S&R,

As more "grist for your mill," I thought I'd let you know that over the past 19 years I have built up from a Bowel Tolerance of around 10,000 milligrams per day to well over 50,000+ milligrams per day [in 10 to 15 divided doses]. I have experienced excellent health from this, virtually never experiencing any illness at all, and certainly nothing that has ever sent me to bed. I have ingested no drugs, i.e. "medications," e.g. including any painkillers, whatsoever during this time, and have never gone to any doctors [dentist excepted].

I believe all of this has been possible because of the powerful antioxidant properties of ascorbic acid. I do encourage you, S&R, to study carefully the results Dr. Cathcart achieved with over 25,000 patients [and himself], over a thirty-five year period, dealing with a vast myriad of ailments, using Bowel Tolerance doses of ascorbic acid.

All my best wishes to/for you, S&R!

Sincerely,

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Old 09-30-2013, 10:34 AM
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Did you ever have any illness prior to sarting your extreme vitamin C regime?

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I have always been relatively healthy, but [typically] did have the occasional/annual "cold." That would typically not "put me to bed," but they did tend to last a few weeks [and I would pass a tremendous amount of mucus].

Since beginning daily Bowel Tolerance dosing with ascorbic acid [in 1994], I have found the frequency and severity and length of those "colds" to have steadily decreased. I now can't really remember the last one I had. I have exercised a lot in my life, but quit years ago. My diet used to be better, but now I tend to just eat whatever I feel like. Yes, I am overweight [probably at least 20 pounds], but as long as I keep up a Bowel Tolerance dose of ascorbic acid daily, I seem to be protected from all health maladies. So far so good! As I am 64 years old, the next 5 to 15 years should be quite interesting and instructive.

You are most welcome!
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Anyone took bactrim here for 2 months?
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I took trimethoprim which was one of the ingredients of bactrim for 6 weeks. I felt fantastic on it, pain was down, no more flu like symptoms, felt as strong as a horse (meaning no longer weak and tired and my strength was back up) once the drug was stopped about 5 days later all symptoms returned. Tried the same medicine again later for 10 weeks and the second time around it made symptoms worse instead of relieving them.

Here is something of interest, my sister has some type of bladder infection she can't get rid of, she's had it over a year now, whenever she stops antibiotics she urinates blood. When the testing comes back from the lab it always says source contaminated so they can't identify the bacteria. She went to the urologist I figure surely a urologist can deal with a bladder infection, and boy was I wrong, he gave her 90 days of bactrim 1 pill a day and he said that is all I can do for you if it doesn't help you'll just have to learn to live with it. The bactrim didn't work and she started urinating blood again while taking it, so because nobody will help her my uncle who orders antibiotics off of some site from Mexico orders her zithromax, only thing is the zithromax won't kill it, it only stops her from urinating the blood and takes some of the sting off. I wanted to share this with you guys, how crazy is that.

I thought it was only Chronic Prostatitis doctors hated messing with and couldn't treat, imagine my surprise to see that doctors don't even wanna mess with treating bladder infections.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:11 AM
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That sounds intense for your sister.....

I am sorry to hear. Perhaps we are dealing with super bugs now and our diet's are so low in vitamins, fibre, and prob-iotics that some of our bodies simply cannot fight off infectionslike we once could.

The big lie is that science is winning the race: that our knowledge base and technological advancement is the root of all freedom. Yet, chemicals, bi-products, toxins, super bugs, pollution, processed food, pasteurization, immunizations, STI's, viruse, funguses, and bacteria seem to be advancing far quicker than our knowledge base....

sorry for no support to offer. I have had much success on the miserable candida type diet. Absoluely miserable diet: Expensive (but kinda not if you think of all the money you waste on junk food / eating out) , ridiculously inconvenient, boring blah blah blah

BUT...when I stick to it my symptoms subside substantially....so I try and fail and try some more....I htink a major diet change is your best hope cuurently

But lets also be thankful for scientific advancement ..I know I osund like a hypocrite now!! cuz every day, scientists create new ways to help many of us. Ways that seemed impossible and miserabel the day before

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I took trimethoprim which was one of the ingredients of bactrim for 6 weeks. I felt fantastic on it, pain was down, no more flu like symptoms, felt as strong as a horse (meaning no longer weak and tired and my strength was back up) once the drug was stopped about 5 days later all symptoms returned. Tried the same medicine again later for 10 weeks and the second time around it made symptoms worse instead of relieving them.

Here is something of interest, my sister has some type of bladder infection she can't get rid of, she's had it over a year now, whenever she stops antibiotics she urinates blood. When the testing comes back from the lab it always says source contaminated so they can't identify the bacteria. She went to the urologist I figure surely a urologist can deal with a bladder infection, and boy was I wrong, he gave her 90 days of bactrim 1 pill a day and he said that is all I can do for you if it doesn't help you'll just have to learn to live with it. The bactrim didn't work and she started urinating blood again while taking it, so because nobody will help her my uncle who orders antibiotics off of some site from Mexico orders her zithromax, only thing is the zithromax won't kill it, it only stops her from urinating the blood and takes some of the sting off. I wanted to share this with you guys, how crazy is that.

I thought it was only Chronic Prostatitis doctors hated messing with and couldn't treat, imagine my surprise to see that doctors don't even wanna mess with treating bladder infections.
Hi Harry,

Besides the article by Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D. [link previously posted], you may find the following quotes from the book Primal Panacea by Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., enlightening:

"High dose vitamin C has been proven to be a successful treatment -- and in many cases a complete cure -- for most viral and many bacterial infections.

"Vitamin C has been shown to prevent, put in remission, and even cure, many viral infections. Here is a partial listing:
* AIDS/HIV
* Ebola
* Encephalitis
* Hepatitis
* Herpes
* Pneumonia
* Polio
* Shingles
* Swine Flu
On the other hand, drug companies have yet to develop any drugs that will reliably kill viruses.

"Vitamin C can also prevent and cure non-viral infections....bacterial, parasitic, and other non-viral infections...

"...when extremely large doses of vitamin C are used to combat the infection, immediate and curative results almost always ensue....it is clear, that a certain blood concentration or tissue saturation of vitamin C is always needed before a positive clinical response can be observed. So, when tiny doses have been tested against many different infections, researchers often report that vitamin C had no positive clinical effect. Many seemingly unethical studies appear to have employed this fact to discredit vitamin C's efficacy by purposely testing with very small amounts. The researchers then conclude that vitamin C was of no value at all, rather than just ineffective at a tiny dose.

"All infections and all toxins cause their damage by increasing oxidative stress. No exceptions! There is not a single infection (viral, bacterial, or other), or a single toxin, which does not generate substances known as "reactive oxygen species (ROS).

"In order to cure infections, an agent is needed to neutralize ongoing oxidative stress, repair oxidized molecules, and kill the pathogens, or at least render them more susceptible to eradication by a healthy immune system. Vitamin C does all of these things."

I hope this helps, as "grist for your mill," Harry, and wish you and your sister success and godspeed in resolving your health maladies.

Sincerely,

David
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:59 AM
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ut how do we get that much vitamin C without all the naturally occurring sugar? Ascorbic Vitamin C found in our Vitamin C products is not beneficial right..as due to the impact of the synthetic drug on our overall system:


http://www.naturalnews.com/040147_vi..._vitamins.html

what's your take?

thanks so much
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Hi S&R,

The article you linked is simply based upon dietary idealism, and not practical [and experiential] science.

Consider:

1) If ascorbic acid killed the beneficial flora in one's intestines, i.e. gut, I [for one] would have been dead long ago [or at least be chronically sick], vs. experiencing the [sickness-free] superb health I am. True?

2) Ascorbic acid is absolutely found in Nature, being both produced by plants and animals [in their respective body's]. Yes, it is always associated with various other substances, but so what? We get all of those other substances we need, e.g. bioflavonoids, etc., in any adequate diet. Yes [as an aside], if we [still] lived on the "garden of Eden" diet, for example, we would be ingesting all of the vitamin C we needed to remain perfectly healthy. But obviously, in modern society, that is very rare indeed!

3) If all of those "other elements" needed to be present, in order to benefit from ascorbic acid, how did Dr. Cathcart [and many others, like Dr. Klenner, etc., etc., etc.] achieve the healing results they achieved [in tens of thousands of cases] with ascorbic acid alone [typically in the face of modern medicine's complete lack of ability [to do so], e.g. as quoted above, "drug companies have yet to develop any drugs that will reliably kill viruses?" And yet, again as quoted above, "High dose vitamin C has been proven to be a successful treatment -- and in many cases a complete cure -- for most viral and many bacterial infections." The [beneficial] therapeutic results, in thousands upon thousands of studies, have all been with ascorbic acid alone, S&R, i.e. not some "mythical" [vitamin C] complex.

4) It does not matter where, i.e. from what, the ascorbic acid molecule(s) are derived from, e.g. typically corn syrup, any more than it matters that much of the water consumed by atronauts is derived from their own and their fellow astronaut's urine. H2O is H2O [and the H2O molecule is the H2O molecule]!

Now for a little background education, S&R, if you care to:

It takes very little "vitamin C" to keep us healthy. Frank scurvy is prevented by as little as 5 to 10 milligrams per day. An additional 50 to 100 milligrams per day will easily handle any and all "vitamin C" related functions in the body, e.g. collagen and hormone production, etc., etc., etc., i.e. assuming adequate nutrition. What we are after, for therapeutic/heallth purposes, is the "free"/extra/alkalinizing/toxin neutralizing/antioxidizing electrons carried by the ascorbic acid molecule. To quote Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D., "...ascorbic acid....[in] doses rang[ing] usually from 30 to 200 grams or more per 24 hours. The most important concept to understand is, that at these dose levels, the vitamin C...is mostly thrown away...for the reducing equivalents it carries." [emphasis mine]

Consider [if you care to], S&R, these quotes from Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D. on just how important those electrons are [to health]:

"Quite simply and quite elegantly: All infections do their damage, with what is called oxidative stress, by electron theft or electron robbery. And the laboratory tests show this. All toxins act the same way. Vitamin C is an antioxidant. It's ultimate task is to contribute electrons. And it's really that simple.

"Electron flow: Whether electrons are taken away, or whether electrons are donated, is the final common denominator as to whether you make somebody better or worse.

"All infections and all toxins cause cell tissue damage and produce symptoms by increasing oxidative stress. Period. That's it. No exceptions. There's no other magical way your body gets damaged. It's when you get increased oxidative stress....Increased oxidative stress (intracellular and/or extracellular) causes all diseases, and causes all disease symptoms.

"At the molecular level, oxidative stress is the depletion of electrons from the molecules that are oxidized. The more molecules there are that are oxidized, the more oxidative stress that is present. This represents not only a theory, but a highly efficient and accurate working model in clinical medicine.

"The defining property of a nutrient is to metabolize into one or more substances that have the ability to donate electrons (REDUCTION). Antioxidant = Nutrient and Nutrient = Antioxidant. The defining property of a toxin, directly or indirectly, is its ability to deplete electrons (OXIDATION). Pro-oxidant = Toxin and Toxin = Pro-oxidant. This is not an over-simplification....Everything that is toxic, whether it is cyanide that kills you in 30 secionds, or 10 grams of mercury that gradually gives you multiple-sclerosis as you get older; they are both doing their damage in the same manner. They're just not doing it at the same site, to the same degree, to the same rapidity.

"Even though there is a tremendous variety of molecular structure among all the known toxins, they all share the same property of taking, or causing to take, electrons from other molecules; oxidizing them and causing a state of increased oxidative stress. If a molecule does not cause the loss of one or more electrons from another molecule, it IS NOT TOXIC and it CANNOT BE TOXIC. It's a synonym: Toxic = Oxidant; Oxidant = Toxic. Toxicity and any symptoms of toxicity can not exist unless electrons are being taken from other molecules (oxidation).

"Vitamin C is an especially useful antioxidant since its simple chemical structure allows it access to nearly all parts of the body, including inside the cell as well as inside the cell's subcellular compartments.

"All toxic effects are caused by excess oxidative stress. That's it. There is no other way in which a toxin can be toxic beyond the impairment of electron supply and flow in the biomolecules of the affected tissues. And this is precisely why properly-dosed vitamin C, before the point of irreversible tissue damage, will neutralize the toxicity of any toxin exposure or poisoning encountered. It doesn't matter what chemical structure or molecular type the toxin is. Big, small, water-soluble, fat-soluble, ionic, neutral -- it doesn't matter.

"...the power of vitamin C, resulting from its incredible ability to donate electrons, as an antioxidant....it is this very attribute of vitamin C that accounts for most of its potent antimicrobial and toxin-neutralizing qualities. However, no other antioxidant can perform the many additional physiological and biological roles that vitamin C fills.

"Electron flow supply > high flow = health; low flow = illness; no flow = death.

“Health exists when electrons flow fully and freely; illness exists when this flow is significantly impaired; and death occurs when this flow stops.”
"All good nutritional nutrients are [ultimately] always antioxidants, and all antioxidants are always [ultimately] nutrients. The ability to donate electrons means it is a nutrient. Toxins are always oxidants, and oxidants are always toxic. The ability to take electrons away, means it is a toxin [and is synonymous with toxins of all varieties]. To my knowledge yet, no exceptions.

"All disease symptoms are induced by oxidants, i.e. electron depletion.

"All antioxidants replete electrons, and it is by that mechanism that you get pain relief or resolution of any particular symptom. It is literally that simple.

"Vitamin C is proven effective against all toxins.

"Everything you ingest, when it is metabolized and brought down to a molecular level, is going to do one of three things: it's going to give up an electron; it's going to take an electron away; or in extremely rare circumstances, it is going to be electronically inert, and do neither. There's really no other options.

"...demonstrating the ability of vitamin C to act as the ultimate antidote in reversing the toxicity of otherwise fatal doses of agents such as carbon monoxide, pesticides, barbiturates, and even heavy metals....the results are so dramatic....to neutralize virtually any toxic substance, and even the dangerous effects of radiation....to reliably neutralize any toxin treated, when sufficiently dosed and administered for a long enough period of time.

"All therapy is electron repletion. All therapy." [all emphasis mine]

So you see, S&R, it is not [beyond certain minimal amounts] the other substances typically associated with ascorbic acid, that produce health, but the electrons contained within the ascorbic acid molecule. And that is why the animals [with very rare exceptions] all produce mult-gram [standardized to 154 pounds] doses of ascorbic acid [vs. some "vitamin C complex"] for themselves every day of their lives. As you are no doubt [probably] aware, S&R, there are many thousands, if not tens of thousands of antioxidant, i.e. electron donating, substances in the world [the substances listed in the article, typically associated with ascorbic acid in foods, being just a few of them]. But there is not one other substance, that I am aware of, that can be ingested in sufficiently large enough quantities, over a sufficiently long enough period of time, i.e. to cure illnesses and produce and maintain health, than ascorbic acid. For health [after adequate nutrition], it's either calorie restriction [a very good example being the "garden of Eden" diet, i.e. raw fruits and vegetables exclusively, including possibly some raw nuts and seeds], long periods of sweat therapy, e.g. sauna and/or exercise, and/or supplementing with sufficient, i.e. Bowel Tolerance doses of, ascorbic acid. I know of no other long-term approach to regaining and maintaining health. I have tried the other [two] approaches [to extremes, at times], and am simply no longer interested in working that hard!

You are most welcome, S&R, and thank you for your excellent question! My apologies if this was more than you were after.

Best regards,

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First: your time is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your thorough response.

A woman once told me to take 1000 mgs of vitamin C every hour for ten hours to beat my urinary tract infection.

In reading my previous posts, no doubt you are aware that I have experienced urinary tract, bladder, maybe prostate and finally epididymitis in my right testicle..which ismostly under control but still has flare ups and things just dont feel right alot of the time....Before God and others, I must admit that my previous lifestyle was a gross one and have I reaped what I sowed?

my two most beneficial experiences other than temporary relief I fee on anti-biotics (a great relief BUT short lived and no longer an option)

1. diet- low sugar / low junk / low flour / low everything tasty and convenient...haha

2. strectching and massage - liekly to increase blood flow, lymphatic action in the pelvis groin area


I am VERY OPEN to all that you suggest. Very open. I am more than comfortable taking large doses of Vitamin C.


Can you outline a plan or point me in the direction of additinal info on:

dosage criteria
additional dietary needs
side effects...


Do you believe a Candida type diet is a necessity of otimal health? How would Adam and Eve derived their protein? I wonder what your ideal diet thoughts are?


thanks so much for pointing me in the vitamin C direction. It is easy to be skeptical and suggest that if Vitamin C is so great than why are the rich and famous still dying of diseases that could be cured by Vitamin C....I am sure though that doctors who suggest Vitamin C face scorn, ridicule, silencing, and legal liabilty to just start....makes me think...
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