My prostatitis story

[jfh]

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\nColloidal silver internally and topically will help. Daily. Also search through this NatMedTalk forum for several other natural anti-fungals.
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\nAlso interesting information here: https://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3992
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[lovelife]

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\nThanks for getting back to me maybe I described thrush wrongly it is similar to thrush but not the same.I am sore and inflamed on the outside but not all the time it comes and goes.\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n OK. I understand. Still, colloidal silver, internal and external, is a very good antibacterial, anti-fungal, and antiviral solution. It comes as a liquid, like water, or you can make it yourself. For topical, just saturate a cotton ball and apply. Since you have had this problem for so long and antibiotics have not worked, I\'d still say that it is fungus, so those links, I posted, should be studied.\r\n

[lovelife]

\r\n \r\n Ok thanks I will give it a try its not very expensive.\r\n

[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n It is expensive to buy it, and a lot of the time what you are buying isn\'t that great. It is relatively cheap to make your own silver water, I have just purchased everything I need to make it and it cost a total of about $60. That is including the silver rods, and should make me about a ten year supply.
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\nCheck out the threads jfh has mentioned. There can be a lot of different causes of your problem and I would not rule out fungal infection. Long courses of anti-boitics can make it worse or give it a chance to take hold.
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[Arrowwind09]

\r\n \r\n Lovelife, it is reasonable to assume you have some fungal issues with what you have been through, all those antibiotics taken.. and if tests say positive for bacteria you have to assume that you have both.
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\nI have never seen colloidal silver cure fungus....doesn\'t mean that it doesn\'t, just have not heard a first hand report. I would be interested to see that it does...
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\nBe sure to have protected sex. Your wife could catch that fungus and it is no fun and it seems to never go completly away and in time it can be harder to treat. What ever bacteria you have she could also get and you obviously have some resistant stuff.
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\nIf oral meds do not work you will want to look into Rife... one of the best machines out there is the GB4000 with amp\r\n

[Arrowwind09]

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[I wiil beat this]

\r\n \r\n For topical, just saturate a cotton ball .... When you apply are you saying apply to pee hole??? would that get to the prostate. Love Life do you have discharge like an STD or do you just have symtoms of an inflamed prostate....Arrowwind what does this do Rife... one of the best machines out there is the GB4000 with amp
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[lovelife]

\r\n \r\n Thanks for your replies again
\nI have been taking a large dose of allicin for 12 days,I started on 15 caps then after a week went up to 30 then it responded to it well it felt like it had cleared up but then a flare up again.I am still taking 30 a day but all they are doing is acting as a anti inflammatory as time passes till I take the next dose the symptoms start to return.
\nAs for unprotected sex it is a bit late for that now as we have brought two children into this world.I have not had unprotected sex whilst I have been on allicin just in case.
\nNot sure wich way to go with meds.I am in the uk and a lot of them are not available over the counter so to speak.\r\n

[lovelife]

\r\n \r\n Sorry I will beat this I have dishcharge like an std.\r\n

[helpmyprostate]

\r\n \r\n lovelife glad to see you on this site. i left a q on the other site for you. i too have what looks like a discharge. i have pus when i urinate at times. it is clear. when i do the prostate massage it looks just like ejaculat. i have never been tested positive. i only have had high white blood cells counts. i know it feels like an infection for sure. what colour is your discharge. yellow is what chlamydia is said to have. i just finished abx and it did nothing for me in the end. i thought there was a day or two then back to hell.
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\nglad you made it over here this site has some great awesome caring people and we are getting a lot of people coming over. lets keep helping each other find answers.\r\n

[boots]

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im from the prostatitis forum too
\ni get clear fluid from the penis sometimes with bowl movements
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\ni wake up with no pain at all and than after bowl movement the symptoms start.
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\nit usually starts about 1 to 2 hours after bowl movement.
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\nalso i have clear fluid sometimes after bowl movement. this is prostate fluid i think.
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hi boots.
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my pain is right after and takes a while to go away
\r\ni also get pain after ejaculation too and it starts a few minutes after
\r\nand masturbation or even just an erection less than 2 hours after a bowl movement feels like the head of the penis is going to explode.\r\n

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hi boots.
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\nalso i have clear fluid sometimes after bowl movement. this is prostate fluid i think.
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\nit seems we have similar symptoms

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yeah this is common with the prostatitis after a bowel movement. after a bowel movement my a-hole burns and hurts and my back hurts and burns more same with testicles. when the crap comes down out of you its gonna bump against the rectum wall and probably flare it up a little bit. I\'m almost afraid to let any doctor even do a dre on me. because it hurts so bad and any time any doctor even touches my prostate symptoms start getting worse. ((( also i have clear fluid sometimes after bowl movement. this is prostate fluid i think.))) it\'s possible or could be a sign of an STD but I don\'t know your sexual history or if you were battling an STD and ended up with prostatitis. But it would be either some kind of pus from an STD or some prostate fluid\r\n

[lovelife]

\r\n \r\n Hi helpmyprostae thanks for getting in touch and Hi to boots.
\nRight I remember when I had chlamydia I did have some foamy dishcharge both times but this time its always clear with this infection.Its not always there you have to squeeze it out.
\nI would say helpmyprostate the tests they do are not good enough and they dont pick the infection up.I can remember going to the std clinic having the tests done then two days after going to another one and they said I was positive.
\nI honestly think if your prostate is inflamed you have some kind of infection till you get completely rid of it you will not feel 100%.I am no expert I dont claim to be clever but I spent two years going to std clinics and chatting to guys in the waiting rooms with the same problem.
\nIts like when you cut your finger and it gets infected gets inflamed you sometimes get clear fluid coming out,then you get abx it clears up the infection goes then you heal up.
\nOn with allicin,I was pretty negative about it at first but I do feel I am starting to very slowly get better.
\nI took 30 a day for two weeks now I am down to 20 a day splitting the doses to 5 every six hours and they are working.I can feel it burning away at my nuts lol betwen doses and it never seems to stop working .I dont think it has become resistant to the bugs .Usually abx just stop working .
\nI am getting less and less pain very slowly though and my cum has changed colour for some reoson.
\nI have to remember I have not treated this thin for 12 years so its going to take.
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\nCan you feel the allicin working helpmyprostate when you take a dose.\r\n

[boots]

\r\n \r\n if you guys are taking 30 tablets i couldn\'t expect much from the 3 a day i was taking.
\ni can\'t get allimax in Australia and importing it from the UK costs too much\r\n

[lovelife]

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How much is it costing you boots?

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i can get 2 packs of 90 allicin max AU $62.19 +AU $4.77 postage
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[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n boots, if you can\'t get allimax, I think eating copios amounts of raw crushed garlic will do the same thing. I know it sucks, but it is an option.
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\nlovelife, have you been doing any of the prostate massages? I think they are key to helping beat the infection. Its hard to get fresh blood into the prostate, and its kind of like a sponge with lots of little chambers. Bacteria, fungus, or any pathogens can hold up in these chambers and hide from what ever your blood is carrying to destroy them, ie allicin. I have read lots that when you massage it, you stimulate new fresh blood flow, as well as break up pathogen infiltrated areas of the prostate. I know my wording is less then technical, but you get the idea.
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\nI am starting to wonder if it is my prostate that is causing my problem. I don\'t get any discharge like most of you guys. I don\'t have any pain in the perianum area. My testicles are redder and seem to hang looser and feel heavier then normal, does anyone else notice this?
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\nMy symptoms got real bad on thursday, I felt like I had to urinate almost all day, but everytime I went I could barely dribble anything out. My cats claw, and cayenne pepper pills came in that day and I started using them. My symptoms started to improve a bit, not sure if that is what helped.\r\n

[lovelife]

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boots, if you can\'t get allimax, I think eating copios amounts of raw crushed garlic will do the same thing. I know it sucks, but it is an option.
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\nlovelife, have you been doing any of the prostate massages? I think they are key to helping beat the infection. Its hard to get fresh blood into the prostate, and its kind of like a sponge with lots of little chambers. Bacteria, fungus, or any pathogens can hold up in these chambers and hide from what ever your blood is carrying to destroy them, ie allicin. I have read lots that when you massage it, you stimulate new fresh blood flow, as well as break up pathogen infiltrated areas of the prostate. I know my wording is less then technical, but you get the idea.
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\nI am starting to wonder if it is my prostate that is causing my problem. I don\'t get any discharge like most of you guys. I don\'t have any pain in the perianum area. My testicles are redder and seem to hang looser and feel heavier then normal, does anyone else notice this?
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\nMy symptoms got real bad on thursday, I felt like I had to urinate almost all day, but everytime I went I could barely dribble anything out. My cats claw, and cayenne pepper pills came in that day and I started using them. My symptoms started to improve a bit, not sure if that is what helped.

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I am not at that stage yet but I did have a massage for six weeks with doxy about 12 years ago and it did nothing.This treatment is doing more.I have a urologist apointment in March its probably going to be a waste of time.
\nI am not sure today if I have gone as far as I can with allicin.It does not seem to be able to completely cure it yet but I am a lot better than I was a month ago.
\nNot sure If I am going to try silver water yet,I found a guy in the uk who makes his own and he would sell me some.
\nI cant beleive nothing has changed in nearly 15 years ,they just dont seem to want to get more advanced in treatment with this thing.\r\n

[larryberry]

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[helpmyprostate]

\r\n \r\n hey i had help with sulfa trim and allicin at day 3-4 by day 10 i was milder but heading back backwards. i too was hoping for the synergy effect that iwillbecured posted from our old forum. as you said they started to beat this treatment. i had a big break through with magnesium. it helped sooth the pain. when my abx ran out i started to feel bad againb but not like before. i was scared and thought i might get worse. i take 12 allicin a day but it is not cheap and dont know if i would go for more. your post makes me think to bite the big bullet and get some more. glad you are getting better. i had it bad after cipro for 8 weeks. i too have discharge after urinating. clear and not like foam or coloured. so if allicin works we are in luck. the theory is maybe we should do the massage and help the allicin get in the prostate kegel and ejaculate to get fresh blood and fluid in the prostate the best we can. i am on so much its hard to gage what is working for me. it may be allicin related so i may up the doseage and report back. i am done 380 pills already. i think you can do the whole bottle and not have a problem. so i might do 40-50 a day and see if that works.\r\n

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hey i had help with sulfa trim and allicin at day 3-4 by day 10 i was milder but heading back backwards. i too was hoping for the synergy effect that iwillbecured posted from our old forum. as you said they started to beat this treatment. i had a big break through with magnesium. it helped sooth the pain. when my abx ran out i started to feel bad againb but not like before. i was scared and thought i might get worse. i take 12 allicin a day but it is not cheap and dont know if i would go for more. your post makes me think to bite the big bullet and get some more. glad you are getting better. i had it bad after cipro for 8 weeks. i too have discharge after urinating. clear and not like foam or coloured. so if allicin works we are in luck. the theory is maybe we should do the massage and help the allicin get in the prostate kegel and ejaculate to get fresh blood and fluid in the prostate the best we can. i am on so much its hard to gage what is working for me. it may be allicin related so i may up the doseage and report back. i am done 380 pills already. i think you can do the whole bottle and not have a problem. so i might do 40-50 a day and see if that works.

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[helpmyprostate]

\r\n \r\n jofus i too have had bubbly urine at times. sometime shockingly. i asked around i search the internet but all i could find really was dehydrtion to be the cause. i think it is more than just that.
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\ni would think that we suffer enough so get over western views its therapy and try it with all treatment plans. i know i feel better after doing it. more relieved less swelling more blood in my testicals and shaft.\r\n

[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n I have read that foamy urine has to do with the kidneys excreteing protien. It is sometimes a sign of kidney problems. I believe it has to do with what our bodys are fighting, and stuff that is getting flushed out of the system. I am glad to here I am not the only one, as I have never seen it as a symptom of prostate issues on any of the sites I have visted.
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[helpmyprostate]

\r\n \r\n agreed jofus. i had bad doctors too that most like made this problem worse. i was given 8 weeks cipro when i had no issues. i got sick while the last week was wrappping up and by the 9 th i was severe. strengthened bacteria? poisoned my prostate? i dont know.
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\ni think massage works for some more than others. when i was severe it sometimes caused problems but i was i so much pain. i think it pushes out toxic poison down your penis or bacteria and that made my penis hurt even more.
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\ni think i gave up too early and am now finding it helps more and more. i do it 1 to 2 times a day. i need too.
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\ni too had a doctor tell me he wouldtreat me. i have just had my uro who i believe is responsible try and get my to see one of his staff. he is the head of the biggest hospital in my city. he also wants to get me to see a doctor about food allergies. anything to get you out of their door. these people dont like to fail or hear they arent doing their jobs. they also dont like to do the tests. wll if you dont want to work with butt holes semen penises testicals dont be a urologist! like really! be a fukcin eye doctor! tests are the most important so we get the right abx the 1st fn time!\r\n

[jfh]

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[I wiil beat this]

\r\n \r\n Does anyone know where I can get allicinmax in the states cuz with shiping I\'m paying close to 30bucks a pill I have been feeling a lil better as of late dont if its the aliicin or the probiotics I\'m out of allicinmax yesterday was my last got more on the way but it takes days to get here dont want to go backwards\r\n

[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n Has anyone tried the broccoli protocol. I am going to start tomorrow morning. If you goggle broccoli protocol prostatitis you can find it easy.\r\n

[helpmyprostate]

\r\n \r\n i ate a lot of broccoli, i juiced it, i boiled it and i ate it raw. it gave some relief but i would add it to the list but..... i tried watermelon rine too. juiced it. not as bad but maybe more for bladder infections. i hope it works for you jofus. i was severe so nothing really helped as much as diet and time. i did find broccoli to be more powerful than watermelon and gave something. i liked it raw with olive oil and sea salt or himilayan salt.\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n Speaking of foamy urine, as y\'all were talking of earlier , I took an online diagnostic test. https://www.diagnose-me.com/
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\nOne of the results listed that I may have chronic fatique / fibromyalgia because - NOT having foamy urine. Among other things. Anyway, it led me to believe that foamy urine is normal. ??
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[lovelife]

\r\n \r\n Folks
\nThe allicin is not doing much but keeping the infection down and inflamation.
\nI feel the pain you all feel and it is terrible but I am positive and up beat.
\nI am going to try Williams massage method with the allicin and silver water see what happens.I have had foamy urine all the time with this thing .\r\n

[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n My urine is normaly not foamy, or at least I haven\'t noticed it until my problem started. It can\'t be from me being dehyrdated, as all I have drank in the last 2 months is water, and at least 8 glasses a day. I had a unrinalysis and blood test both of wich indicated normal liver and kidney function. I am suspecting that my foamy and smelly urine and lower back pain (kidney) may have something to do with my body trying to get rid of something. This prostatitis and related ailments is a real pain in the nuts. My tests also said that I have normal WBC and RBC as well as everything else in normal range. My unrine culture for bacteria was said to be <1,000,000 CFU/L. Anyone else get normal WBC, and RBC. <1,000,000 CFU/L seems rather vague, seen as I have read that 100,000 could indicate infection. Like what is <1,000,000, it could be 999,999.\r\n

[lovelife]

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Could any body advice me on wich silver water ppm wise.I am not sure what to get.
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Argyria does not occur with properly made silver solutions. If it did there would be many hundreds of thousands of blue people walking around.
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[larryberry]

\r\n \r\n I don\'t think ppm is as important as other factors such as ion percentage and partical sizes. I have read that solutions as low as 3ppm being effective, and that anywhere from 5 - 20 ppm is good as long as it is made right. I am currently trying to make my own, but running in to some difficulty. I bought some from a local person that makes his own, and have been using a lot over the past 5 days. It seems to be working. The ppm when I first got it messured at 16-18 ppm. I think I am going to buy a silver puppy, or a silver gen. From what I have found, they seem to be the two most recommended units to buy.\r\n

[lovelife]

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[lovelife]

Hi folks
You seem a nice bunch on here so I wanted share my story.I hope you might be able to advice me or maybe not.
I started with this in 1996,I got chlamydia and then got it again then two months after I got an other sexual infection wich was not cultured properly not given the right drugs so it went into my prostate.
I had all kinds os antibiotics but nothing seem to respond always a flare up during treatment.I also spent two two week sesions on intravenous antibiotics wich failed again.I had prostate massage under general nothing worked.All sorts of tests a different places always positive infection.
Then at the end of 1997 I gave up and thought hell to it I am going to have to be strong and just live with and never have a relationship.
In 1998 I met my wife now and I told her about it and she was very understanding and one night we had uprotected sex and then again.
I was so worried I sent her to get checked out and they said everything is ok everything negative but yet I know I still have this infection I have thrush symptoms my foreskin is inflamed at times and the rest.
We also have two children.
To cut a long story short I saw Allicinmax being talked about three weeks ago and I gave it a go.I took a large dose for a week and bang it responded so well I could not beleive it but then of course another flare up during treatment and the bugs won again lol.They seem to feed of antibiotics.
I was just wandering is there anything else I could try to keep my symptoms down because I dont think I will ever get rid of the infection.

Any thoughts would be great.