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Old 12-31-2010, 08:28 PM
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I find it interesting that if you do a search on MS you can find all kinds of articles for public display at no cost that tell you that MS is an autoimmune disorder. But if you wish to view the articles that demonstrate that MS is actually Lyme disease you have to pay a bunch of money to read them. Of course this equates to censorship and the manipulation of information. here is a link to the original article: http://www.owndoc.com/lyme/multiple-...of-a-cover-up/

Here is a list of articles that this noble soul purchased then put into pdf form so that the eyes of the world could see.

http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/1986-MS-caused-by-Lyme-US-study.pdf

http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/polish-study-ms-is-lyme.pdf

http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/brorson-ms-is-lyme.pdf

http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/swiss-study-ms-is-lyme.pdf

http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/romanian-study-ms-is-lyme.pdf

This one includes ALS along with MS
http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/antibiotics-treating-ms-and-als.pdf

http://owndoc.com/pdf/MS-lesions-minocycline.pdf
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What a great body of work Arrowwind. Thanks for your generosity.

MS must be autoimmune. It is in a list of other autoimmune diseases that is cured or maintained by Low Dose Naltrexone. I guess that doesn't prove that it is autoimmune, but sure leans in that direction. http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T74565.html

I wonder if Lyme is the only cause.

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Oh. I like that site you provided. It is a keeper. Look what I found. http://www.owndoc.com/diet/ph-balanc...ct-or-fiction/
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Every disease will have an autoimmune component to it... it is the immune system reacting and defending the body.. If the reaction is extreme the symptoms will be extreme. Even with a cold there is an autoimmune response most often seen as a histamine reaction.. sometimes the autoimmune response is the most distressing part of the disease especially if the immune response does not kill or erradicate the disease..

So yes, LDN would help in MS when lyme is involved because the Lyme is stimulating the auto immune system to the max! and of course to no effective end because the auto immune system cannot cure lyme so the exciting symptoms just go on and on until they kill you, destroying and tearing apart your nerve tissues and mylin sheath. where ever the spirochete may be lodged.

I do think that there may possibly be other causes to MS besides lyme, for MS is merely a picuture of symptoms, it is a basket diagnosis for when they don't really know what is going on, and in this case the "what is really going on" is repressed from the public view and discourged in research by MS organizations and pharmaceutical companies... but above is documentation that lyme has been found in many many MS cases.

There is also the arguement that MS is created by heavy metals... well it is no secret these days that pathogens (lyme is a pathogen) resides and thrives in the presence of heavy metal toxicity... likely because the heavy metals compromise the immune systems functions. I have no doubt that co-infections could reside with lyme and other toxicities, well its common knowlege that co-infections reside with lyme,, but I am not sure it is understood why.. some co-infections may come from the tick bite itself, perhaps other co-infections arise from the alterered terrain, allowing for pathogens to set up housekeeping that normally would be held in check... see my post on Dark field microscopy and take a look at the video that shows all the buggers that can happen that we are not educated about!

It also defends the arguement for MMS treating MS. If MMS can kill lyme, and I believe it does, MS can get better... although I am not sure MMS in and of itself can cure Lyme, it does alleviate the symptoms for a time according to testimonials I have read over the last 3 years.

To cure Lyme, MMS alone, or Samento (TAO) free tincture along with colloidal silver, must be used with a comprehensive enzyme protocol which breaks open the cyst... as I have posted the protocol on another thread.

I would remind people at this point that a definative or close to difinative diagnostic for chronic Lyme is the Dark Field Live Blood analysis.. The cyst that the spirochete forms can be clearly seen. Of course the challenge is to find a doctor who knows this and can provide the test... www.thewestclinic.com does this test.
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LDN is often helpful with autoimmune diseases, but probably because it helps the immune system remove pathogens.

Autoimmune diseases are often thought of as an immune system going nuts and attacking the body or something on that order. In reality, it is probably the body attacking an unknown pathogen that is present in the body. The problem being it cannot remove the pathogen so you end up with chronic inflammation, and tissue damage from it.

LDN boosts the immune system which can allow the immune system to remove some of these pathogens, or at least reduce them.

Lyme and MS could share a similar pathogen. Spirochetes have been seen in MS patients blood. Similar to the Spirochetes seen in Lyme patients, but not quite the same.

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Most of those studies I posted indicated a strong connection between Lyme spirochete and MS.

We have to remember the terrain. If the lyme is in the spinal cord and brain it may change it's nature somewhat.. not presenting as it would in a common case of lyme due to the uniqueness of the terrian....

Borrelliosis is a peomorphic organism and I have seen photos of it in several different states via electron microscope.

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The problem with the MS vs Lyme thing is that MS is often misdiagnosed as Lyme and vice versa. One of my relatives had Lyme was treated, now has reoccuring symptoms which they are attributing to MS. I am fairly sure that if they find a pathogen involved it will be Borrelia burgdorferi.

So is the pathogen the same for both diseases, or are the diagnosises so interchanged that it is difficult to know for sure?

I have never treated MS, so I cannot say from experience. Even that would not mean much because it is often misdiagnosed anyway.

It is certainly worth trying a Lyme treatment strategy for MS, as it could be misdiagnosed, or they may be the same disease. Even if there is a different spirochete involved, it may respond to the same treatment methods.

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I think MS is a basket diagnosis.. as are all "diseases" for which they have not found an exact identifyable cause such as fibromyalgia. Of course if they weren't so dam busy repressing information and research we could get to the crux of the matter.

Did you read Sarah Vaughter's article I linked in the first post? She's angrier than me, or at least more eloquent and informed at it... anger and eloquence and total rationality... reminds me of our founding Fathers.

Not only do the articles I posted strongly insinuate that ms is caused by Lyme but also cases of ALS and Parkinsons... which may account for why some people with Parkinsons get better on MMS.

There may be a number of causes of MS. Since "we" don't know the cause it could be anything and everything that presents with those types of symptoms. Just like for chronic fatigue... epstein barr virus causes it in some people, heavy metals and other parasties in others and still yet others who still don't know what their cause is.
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Your mention of fibromyalgia is an especially good example or your "basket" theory. They just don't know. They don't want to deal with it either. Perhaps a daily statin or frequent antibiotic will fix it.
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I think MS is a basket diagnosis.. as are all "diseases" for which they have not found an exact identifyable cause such as fibromyalgia. Of course if they weren't so dam busy repressing information and research we could get to the crux of the matter.
Now they have a diagnosis for 'Atypical MS'. It doesn't fit the accepted criteria for MS but it seems like MS. They're kind of lumping it in with ME/CFS.

As for the repressing of information and research it's sad the way you can read an article from 1992 on some of these diseases/syndromes and have it be almost as up to date as what we have in 2011.
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I would like to thank you for this marvelous information. I have a niece who had been diagnosed with MS 20 years ago. She was 20 years old. Could you imagine what goes through the mind of a 20-year old after the doctors gives you this information?....talk about not having a life. She lost all hope right then and there and from then on.....need I say more? I cannot believe what this medical world has become....(maybe shows like Dr. Oz will help a little...at least it is going in the right direction (media wise). Doctors are great for getting a diagnosis and that is the only reason I appreciate them....so I think we need to keep this in mind. Anyway, my original point is that I am using your articles to help my niece. I am making her read them before I send her the proper supplements to save her life. Thank you, again, for these wonderful articles!
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Here's an old article on the same topic, over my head, but someone here may want to review it. http://www.canlyme.com/megan_geostat...analysis2.html
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The western blot and the elisa test are notoriously inaccurate and what is even worse is that it can't tell you for sure if you have lyme or ms.

Please read my article on HealthSalon that will present to you the difinative diagnostic method for Lyme disease. It makes all the other nonsense obsolete and not worth spending any time on.
http://www.healthsalon.org/505/cure-chronic-lyme/
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ResultsRNA make a high strength ionic silver zeolite product which they say has shown to kill borellia in 8 mins in independent tests.

http://www.resultsrna.com/products/l..._treatment.php
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Yes. Lots of silver products can kill lyme. Personally I would use nutrasilver. My friend used a silver product (dont know which one) along with Samento. The problem is that the silver does not penetrate the cyst and this is why many people who use silver preparations do not cure of lyme. In an early enough case it may work but not after the cyst stage has developed. It will be palliative only.
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What about tetracycline for Lyme given within weeks of the infection?
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