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Old 06-09-2006, 11:11 AM
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You know.. What the hell are people thinking? The more I read about this the more ... and it isn't like the drug companies don't know.. It isn't like FDA doesn't know? this flat wears me out!!!! Ritalin isn't even approved for children.. Prozac is the only one approved for children.. and prozac is just as bad... and now.. they have liquid prozac for infants??? Sheeezzzeeeee.....

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Old 06-11-2006, 09:32 AM
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When some little rug rat starts screaming it lungs out it obviously means that it is concerned and worried about something. Therefore the first thing to do is bring out the antidepressants.
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Old 06-11-2006, 04:58 PM
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There used to be something called "motherly instinct" Bears, lions, and tigers still have it. Just try to approach a litter of their cubs or kittens, and see what happens. If you survive it, please let me know how it went.
Human mothers seem to have lost this natural instinct. They allow their kids to be abused with all kinds of psychotropic drugs, because they think their child isn't acting "normal". Well, I can assure you that if kids scream and carry on, and then are quiet and subdued for several hours, that's completely normal. Kids do that. If adults want to indulge in the madness of Prozac, Valium and other foolishness, it's up to them. But please! Let kids grow up without all that stuff.
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Old 06-12-2006, 10:03 PM
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My best friend's 8-year-old son has battled Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder for three years. The ONLY THING that pulled that poor boy out of a hideous disorder was an anti-anxiety pharmaceutical. She tried everything--diet, exercise, therapy. Nothing loosened the grip of OCD but Paxil (or whatever the drug is). This boy's mother is an excellent, nurturing mother.
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Old 06-13-2006, 05:27 PM
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Yes, and paxil is the most addicting of all the antidepressants.

Sure she was caring for her kid, but extremely uneducated, misinformed and subject to mass mind control.
Homeopathy could have fixed it but she didn't know. She didnt know cause she didn't look around. Its a dog eat dog world. If you remain in ignorance you WILL pay the consequences.

The only person who can get oneself out of ignorance is oneself. As soon as you reach out, start looking, there is a lot of help out there.

Homeopathy cured my sons headbanging at age 3. He would just lay down on the hard wood floor and bang bang bang bang bang bang. I never took him to a regular doctor cause as a pediatric nurse I know what would have happened. Fortunatly I had some real education under my belt.

Now you know. You gonna keep her ignorant or educate her.
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Old 06-13-2006, 06:30 PM
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By the way pepawbear, prozac is not as bad as paxil on a number of counts but granted they are both very dangerous drugs. but then again, no one knows for sure the long term effects of prozac on a child.
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Old 06-21-2006, 06:02 PM
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There used to be something called "motherly instinct" Bears, lions, and tigers still have it. Just try to approach a litter of their cubs or kittens, and see what happens. If you survive it, please let me know how it went.
Human mothers seem to have lost this natural instinct. They allow their kids to be abused with all kinds of psychotropic drugs, because they think their child isn't acting "normal". Well, I can assure you that if kids scream and carry on, and then are quiet and subdued for several hours, that's completely normal. Kids do that. If adults want to indulge in the madness of Prozac, Valium and other foolishness, it's up to them. But please! Let kids grow up without all that stuff.
Just try and protect your kids from the medical industry! We human mothers are patronised and made to feel inadequate - everything is OUR fault, and we are expected to do as we're told.

When, after much research, I refused to allow my kids to be vaccinated back in the 80's, I was treated as a social pariah. All the brainwashed mums who had been told to vaccinate were furious that I was damaging their herd immunity, and that all their kids would suffer as a result. I was called a murderess at a baby clinic. Schools made it difficult for me to enrol my kids, who were not allowed on some excursions because of their status. When I sent my 11 yr old dauighter to school with a note excusing her from the rubella jab, they declared it a forgery and tried to hold her down and give it by force. When she fought back and stopped them she was put on detention for a week!

Every which way you turn, the establishment is there to wear you down and force you to submit. When my young son was being a hyper handful, other mums and the school requested me to put him on Ritalin - like hell! He went to a naturopath, sorted out a candida problem, and we modified his diet. He was still an active terror, but was much improved - just had to keep him busy! But of course this attitude requires ongoing effort!

What about the fathers? They are not worn down by the constant demands of children and housework - they are not brought up to conform and be compliant, to be nice. They are allowed to say NO to a man or authority figure, without being called a bitch, or a useless mother. Why aren't fathers involved in health care for their children?

If women had some backup, maybe they could actually stand up to the health professionals and WIN! I know of so many women who were determined not to vaccinate, to do the right thing, and they were so worn down by the professionals that they ended up submitting, and their children were the ones to suffer as a result!

Maybe if we all stood up and demanded some equity from the mainstream media, to actually stop suppressing information that doesn't suit the advertisers, Big Pharma & Co, just maybe women would be allowed to trust their gut instinct and do the right thing! How can they do anything else when they simply don't have the information needed to fight back?
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Old 06-22-2006, 03:42 PM
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Morgan,

Your story opens up a few fundamental questions about society, as we know it now. Three decades ago, there was a strong feminist movement. I remember making fun of it, because it was aimed at stupid issues such as calling a manhole a "personhole"
But now, it seems we need a brand-new feminist movement. And this time it should be aimed at things that really matter. A woman should be boss in her own belly. So why do we still see crowds of women, shouting insane slogans in front of abortion clinics? And why ideed the extreme repression when it comes to a mother wanting to raise her own children? Is this the way democracy works? Then, maybe, you're not really living in a democracy.
More than half the world population is female. Yet, the feminist movement has failed miserably, because they went after the petty things instead of the rights they should have established for themselves.
Let's face it: American and Australian women are as repressed as women in the Arab world are; only the methods are slightly different. And the only way to get your rights respected is to stand up for them.

Meanwhile, don't think men don't have this problem at all. I could write a book (well, I have) about what men do to each other. If you don't fight back, you'll always be the victim. You can't change the world, but you can create a safe and comfortable place in it for yourself.
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I believe that Ritalin is deadly, parents need solutions and Ritalin can have adverse effects. The FDA recently established black stickers on Ritalin bottles to represent a danger of sudden death. That isn't enough! I think people shouldn't take it at all, Ritalin just like other medications has side-effects. One of the other side-effects (Of taking Ritalin) that I find apalling; I heard that some people who have taken the drug experienced psychosis behaviour.
Ritalin is used treat (commonly) ADHD in an attempt to focus a child's attention at both (usually) their school and home environments. I think Ritalin isn't irrelevant, people don't need to risk the lives of children. Maybe extensive and intensive behavioural therapy would be helpful. However what is so ironic, some kids are misdiagnosed, I am highly skeptical of the Diagnostic and Stastical Manual of Mental Disorders (has an evaluation instrument for ADHD), someone who presents symptoms put in the DSM-IV are considered psychiatric. If parents want a real diagnoses they shouldn't just rely on the DSM-IV. Technology has given us MRI's, SPECT's. Also, some kids present symptoms (boredom) that are associated with gifted and some of may just act out (in places such as school) to gain attention, maybe there is some other problem that is masked.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:37 PM
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Skepzilla is right when he says “And the only way to get your rights respected is to stand up for them.” and arguing for “person holes” instead of manholes doesn’t do it. Of course if the goal is to sidetrack the debate then discussing “personholes” is the way to do it.

Similarly there is little debate on how many mass murders might have been on Ritalin or Prozac and any suggestion that there might be a correlation between it and any psychosis behavior is usually quickly dismissed, the usual explanation is that their parents did not love them or didn’t forced them into enough after school sports, etc.

When I was in grade school ADHD did not exist and a teacher was expected to have some unruly kids however it was also expected that it was her job was to deal with them. But once you define an unruly kid as someone with a medicinal problem now he gets handed over to a specialist for evaluation and treatment. Now then if you are the specialist and your job security means treating kids well then every kid is obviously going to benefit from some form of treatment.

“Also, some kids present symptoms (boredom) that are associated with gifted and some of may just act out (in places such as school) to gain attention, maybe there is some other problem that is masked.”
I believe that one of the main problems with the education system is boredom. The education system is set up like an assembly plant in each grade there are a set number of things to be taught and only those things. A friend of mine is a voluntary teachers assistant at his local grade school. He told of this one boy who was literally in tears over a math problem, he knew how to do the problem, he got the right answer, but the teacher did not except it because he did not use her method to find the answer. Here was a kid who was smart enough to realize that there can be more then one way to solve a problem and he panelized for it. Who knows next he might be sent to a specialist and drugged for not paying attention in class.

Oh by the way atypical10. Welcome to the forum.
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