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Old 07-25-2012, 02:30 PM
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been having some quite harsh liver pain for a couple of days during what i think is a die off or something , been taking silver at 10ppm and wonder if this has caused toxins to build up too quickly in my liver - getting most of the pain in my back near the kidney on right side but also radiates to my upper right abdomen spasming and making bowel like noises but abit diff , i bought some milk thistle 3days ago and this is still really bothering me i think this back pain is reffered and not my kidney it doesnt hurt when i piss but have had some constipation . anybody experience this before ? the silver i feel is helping and wana continue taking it just wonder if i should take a break from it or what . thanks
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:40 PM
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Must be the phase of the moon or something. For whatever reason, I started up another spate of herxing last night. I have some Nutri-West Core Level Liver handy for times like that, and it supports the liver during detox and reduces the pain.

There are some things you can do that might help. Probably the most accessible is a castor oil pack. You can find instructions easily if you Google "Castor oil pack instructions." It's not too difficult and castor oil is readily available at the pharmacy.

Whatever you do, keep your plumbing moving. I used magnesium citrate for years, but lately I've switch to senna (I would rather not, but at least it works) because there's something in the formulation of the Mg citrate I need to avoid for now.

I would seriously consider walking back the amount of silver you're taking as it sure does seem like you're detoxing faster than you can manage.

I've had so many of these episodes now if I get something that might detox I step it up slowly just to be careful I don't go too far.

This site has a few helpful hints for getting through your reaction:

http://implantinformationnetwork.yuku.com/topic/5479

There are a bunch of other good sites out there.

If you have access to a detox foot bath they can be very effective, but not too many people own one like I do. You can find them sometimes at chiropractors or sometimes in my town health food stores have someone there with a footbath on weekends, though honestly you need it sooner.

As a second best, try a salt bath. I use 2 c. epsom salts, 1 c. sea salt (not iodized), and you could add 2 T. ground ginger if you happen to have any, but that's optional. Stay in the bath at least 20 minutes. Rub your legs with a washcloth or soft brush (not too vigorously) just to keep the pores open so the crap can come out your skin. Drink water before, during and after your bath. And then best thing -- go to bed if you can. You'll need extra rest.

The other thing that helps the liver detox that I do at times like this is in the morning first thing, on an empty stomach, I take 2 T. olive oil, 1 T. apple cider vinegar, and the juice of 1/2 a lemon (fresh, not bottled).

Your kidney may be hurting because the muscles around it are tight. Or it might be the kidney itself. My muscles that connect to the top of the hipbone are tight because of my liver, but I just loosened them up with some self-massage on the attachment points. You can feel around just off that bony protrusion and see if anything hurts much. And if you have someone that can massage your right side a bit, that might not be a bad idea either.

And I know this sounds odd, but we also use laser pens and magnets (refrigerator magnets work) to help calm the liver at times like this. But we use applied kinesiology to test and see if either is necessary, otherwise you might accidentally irritate it, which is not what you need about now.

I know that site said take Aleve for pain, but honestly I would steer clear of any pain medication, as they slow down the detox and only prolong things.

Sorry for the unedited information dump. But as I seem to be going through my version of this I need to be off to set up my detox footbath before it gets too late.

Good luck getting through this.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:31 AM
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thanx for the reply that link was helpful im taking the thistle at the moment with acidpohilus probiotics and am having hot baths and showers daily to encourage sweating and circulation - i think you are right that maybe the silver is killing things to quickly for me to deal with - this pain is similar to kidney but am sure its reffered from liver but icould be wrong just its making gurgling type sounds and throbbing at times , check this out - http://anatomynotes.blogspot.co.uk/2...rred-pain.html , taking painkillers has seemed to offened this pain wich is all the more annoying as my prostate hurts and wana take some .
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:49 AM
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How much liquid are you drinking?

All forms of detox require appropiate amounts of pure spring water to flush the system (and thereby flush out toxins.)

Another link that might be of benefit
http://www.psychologies.co.uk/body/1...our-liver.html
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im drinking lots of water always have drank lots of water throughout my life - id say probably around 8 large beakers full a day - the silver 3 tps a day at 10ppm .
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Ah you're doing much better than me, then. I find I have to fill up a proper sized jug of water in the morning and make sure I've emptied it by early evening, or I might be underconsuming. Old habits die hard, I guess, and I never got into a good water drinking habit.

Are you feeling any better today? I hope you get through this soon.
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i drink so much water i think i over consume if anything lol its only thing i like to drink really and helps the prostatitis its kinda funny being 24 and having problems with my prostate my doctor kept giving me antibiotics wich of course makes the candida worse and doesnt help that he thinks candida is a load of rubbish - the silver helps .
livers still giving me a bit of hassle so ive cutt down my silver intake abit die off is horrible just trying to deal with it really - how are you getting on ?
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If your doctor thinks Candida is a bunch of rubbish, you need a new drug dealer. It is true that it affects more women than men. It is true that you may not have Candida Albicans, but most of your problems come from some sort of fungus I'll bet.

Pubmed is a repository of medical trials, mostly from the allopathic world. Just search for Candida there, if you don't believe me. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
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i believe in candida completly , i argued with my doc until i got so annoyed at him i walked out , i saw an allergy specialist and tested positive for candida on a food intolerance test or vega test i had a severe overgrowth and he put me on strict diet and recommended supps to take , this guy actually helped me with this when iwas a teen and does homeopathy and other things involving nutrition . yep fungus is the problem whatever species of candida itis the only other thing i see gp for is pain meds for my nerve entrapment thing other than that hes no help at all .
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Die off? If you mean that your internal organs are dying from all of that silver, you are correct. Read this.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/col...silver/AN01682
Go to a doctor and have your liver and kidneys checked out. Make sure to tell them about how you have been wolfing down all of that silver.
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