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Old 08-08-2010, 10:59 AM
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The very best product I have found for inflammation is serrapeptase. It is like a miracle. I think I rather die than take 18 capsules of anything. Serrapeptase only requires 2 caps 2 or 3 times a day.

Wobenzyme is also another excellent product but I have seen faster results with serrapeptase. www.serrapeptase.info
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The search found 34 publications in the medical databases covered, that addressed the efficacy of serratiopeptidase, of which several were found to be animal experiments, personal letters, uncontrolled trials or those with inadequate or nonexistent randomisation. The article warned against ignoring safety issues with use of biological agents.[4] No studies were found to have been conducted on the efficacy of serratiopeptidase as treatment for back pain, heart attack, stroke, or asthma. Of the 10 medical conditions with randomized-evidence studies on file in connection with serratiopeptidase, trial quality was described as "generally poor".[4][7]

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I understand how some products don't get standardized testing because big pharm can't patent it. But when I see a site that is all hype and no price I start looking around for another source. They abound of course but I'd need something more than words on a web page whose sole interest is marketing to go any further. Anyone have personal experience with this product? I can buy three pounds of organic turmeric for that price of one bottle of the enteric coated form. That's probably a years supply.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't try it if things get worse.

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Vitamin D 3 supplementation

Take proline and lysine Quote,

In what amounts would these two be taken to support the cv system during and after discontinuation of statins and beta blockers?
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I understand how some products don't get standardized testing because big pharm can't patent it. But when I see a site that is all hype and no price I start looking around for another source. They abound of course but I'd need something more than words on a web page whose sole interest is marketing to go any further. Anyone have personal experience with this product? I can buy three pounds of organic turmeric for that price of one bottle of the enteric coated form. That's probably a years supply.
It is a proteolytic enzyme, which reduces inflammation. and since protease digest proteins, it can work on blood clots and scar tissue if taken in the absence of food. There are a lot of studies. Go here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed and search on the term.

Since it is an alternative to saliclates (aspirin), I cannot use it. A couple of years ago, I was experimenting with it to try to fix my internal hemorrhoids. After all, hemorrhoids are supposed to be "clogged" veins. I failed, due to bleeding of the hemorrhoid. Aspirin does this to me as well. Scary. I might try again at a lower dose. Nattokinase affects me the same way.
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Thanks for the info. That helps.

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So will a course of MMS. I have seen this happen. Seems the liver amps up cholesterol when there is toxic overload. MMS will also clean out arteries for much of the arterial inflammation is caused by a microbe... just ask any Rife expert.

mms, after a little reading and watching seems to be a good microbe killer.

Wouldn't that include intestinal microbes some of which are helpful. There is talk of maintenance dosage over time. Does one keep buying whey or probiotics or ..... I guess it's pretty much like antibiotics from the enemy. Or is this a smart compound?

Second question is out of ignorance also, what is it that earns Rife experts our trust?

It's seems a reasonable time to ask; is anyone but me concerned about all the miracle stuff that has always abounded in the natural remedy world. It seems to be rife with smoke and mirrors if you have a skeptical bone in your body. Who has time to check out all these claims? Testimonials are right up there with eye witness testimony until someone you know or trust says it.

Got interested in natural health in the mid 60 and have seen lot's of sewage go under the bridge touted as miracle this or that. The Dr. on the mms vid was pretty convincing, I know that's authoritarian like crazy. There are plenty of those guys I don't trust including the one who used to be my personal md. We sort of fired eachother one day. But it's pretty hard to evaluate everything out there. What does everyone here do to feel comfortable with the latest best thing out there?

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Wouldn't that include intestinal microbes some of which are helpful. There is talk of maintenance dosage over time. Does one keep buying whey or probiotics or ..... I guess it's pretty much like antibiotics from the enemy. Or is this a smart compound?

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It's seems a reasonable time to ask; is anyone but me concerned about all the miracle stuff that has always abounded in the natural remedy world. It seems to be rife with smoke and mirrors if you have a skeptical bone in your body. Who has time to check out all these claims? Testimonials are right up there with eye witness testimony until someone you know or trust says it.

Got interested in natural health in the mid 60 and have seen lot's of sewage go under the bridge touted as miracle this or that. The Dr. on the mms vid was pretty convincing, I know that's authoritarian like crazy. There are plenty of those guys I don't trust including the one who used to be my personal md. We sort of fired eachother one day. But it's pretty hard to evaluate everything out there. What does everyone here do to feel comfortable with the latest best thing out there?

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Very good questions Ron. MMS will destroy pathogens that are anaerobic. Several good and bad bacteria are aerobic as well as anaerobic. MMS does not work in the body very long though. It decomposes into sodium chloride (table salt) and hydrochlorous acid. Your point is good to remember, and taking probiotics later in the day is a very good idea. This is true of many health protocols, like olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, oil of oregano, hydrogen peroxide, ozone therapy, etc.

You started your health quest earlier than me. I started in the early 70s. I followed the latest fads, and must have spent 100s of thousands in experimenting with those fads (sewage, as you say) on myself, and I'm still doing it. Darn! When will I ever learn.
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Boswellia is an excellent anti-inflammatory. But be aware that it contains a resin that can be hard on the kidneys. So, long duration is not good. When I took boswellia, I would only take it during the week, and give my body a rest on the weekend.

BTW, one of the boswellia species is used to make frankincense.
Can you remember where you learned about Boswellia and kidney cautions? Been looking around, searching for `boswellia side effects' and not getting much so far. All that means is maybe I'm not asking the right questions so far I guess. But it would be helpful to me to know more about this aspect of it's activity. Thanks if you can help....

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Can you remember where you learned about Boswellia and kidney cautions? Been looking around, searching for `boswellia side effects' and not getting much so far. All that means is maybe I'm not asking the right questions so far I guess. But it would be helpful to me to know more about this aspect of it's activity. Thanks if you can help....

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Ron, I'm not sure of side effects, but search on what resin (the tree sap) will do to the kidneys. The problems would only occur in people with more severe kidney problems.

Boswellia from Herbal Extracts Plus (950 words) Boswellia is believed to help restore blood supply through repaired blood vessels that have been damaged by inflammation, which further helps circulation to the joints that have been impaired by arthritic conditions. Boswellia is believed to help relieve fibromyalgia, which is a widespread pain in the muscles and soft tissues surrounding the joints throughout the body. Boswellia is not recommended for young children, pregnant or nursing women, or those with severe liver or kidney disease.http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Boswellia

Otherwise it is healthy for kidneys in the case of inflammation. It is cautioned in the use of boswellia for the long term. Nearly every reference to boswellia indicates caution of use with kidney disease. All species of boswellia contain this resin. It is what gives fragrance to the frankincense species (boswellia sacra).
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Thank for the clarification Jim. I feel a little better about using it. But will be cautious tll I can find out more about how what I'm taking is processed. It's a Swanson product and their product specialists have gone home for the day. I understand about the resin part but I don't know how far away chemically, the sort of, white powder in the caps is from tree resin. As far as I know my kindeys are fine but I sure want to keep them that way. I've been alternating days when I take it and will continue w/that till I know more. Thanks for the links.

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I'd like to get a better general idea of dosage level for the various recommended vitamins and amino acids to put in place in the absence of statins and metaprolol.
I have most of the recommendations from Arrowwind, just missing pycnogenol. I have been using LEF products since the Dirk and Sandy days on Johnny Carson. But not all of them I'd have to be very well off to do that. I substitute Swanson's products where I can. They claim to use the same sources LEF uses for their products.

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