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Old 11-12-2011, 11:39 PM
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Why Doctors are Idiots: 150 Years of Disastrous Advice on Children's Health



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couple things that stick in my mind that doctors used to promote one was leeching. This is how george washington died he was out in the cold and got sick and the doctors believed the best thing for ol george was to leech him and drain him of his blood. It is now a known fact if you wanna hasten someones death you leech them draining there blood, because the blood is life. But doctors used to believe that blood was not life in humans and it was good to have leeches suck the blood out of you.

Doctors also in the 1850s believed you shouldn't wash your hands under running water. so they would operate on people or deliver a baby etc come back with bloody hands and stick it in a bowl of water , operate on someone else and stick there hands back in that same bowl of water. were bacteria such as staph and ecoli and god only knows what else was in those bowls. Can you imagine that a doctor just operated and has staph on his hands and then goes into your body or your wifes body and spreads staph inside your internal organs. And any one who told them to wash their hands under running water was laughed at , considered insane, and some were even locked in mental institutions

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I agree we need the appendix, that is exactly what it is for, as far as using antibiotics for Prostatitis it really is futile.
Harrycrumb your explaination is very thorough, but as I mentioned,taking antibiotics masks the symptoms, and then they come back with more fury and you start the vicious cycle all over again.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:29 AM
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http://www.prostate-massage-and-health.com/

This guy talks about everything we discuss on here.
I have probably put this link on before.
The only thing he does not promote is abx but people have got cured with this method using abx and they have left there stories on his site.
He talks about a primitive diet and exercising,the whole shebang.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:46 AM
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I agree we need the appendix, that is exactly what it is for, as far as using antibiotics for Prostatitis it really is futile.
Harrycrumb your explaination is very thorough, but as I mentioned,taking antibiotics masks the symptoms, and then they come back with more fury and you start the vicious cycle all over again.
I agree a lot of people do not get cured with abx but some do get cured iwllbecured is one who has put many posts on this thread explaining his experience,also a friend of mine had prostatitis many times when we used to go out having fun if you know what I mean and he got cured maybe four times in the space of six years.He caught his from many different partners.He could never understand why I never got rid of mine.
Prostatitis starts in so many different ways so what one treatment would work for one may not work for another.
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I believe the chinese medicine / herb drnick is referring to is called kai kit wan. I cant seem to find too much info on it other than people saying it has similar results to quercetin. Maybe iwillbecured can look into it?
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You are correct Jdib, I have been selling and giving my patients the original Kai Kit Wan formula for over 20 years along with a Kidney tonic formula specific to their needs. but it is not like Quercetin at all or like German Willow. It must be used initially with a Kidney Tonic, proper food intake, and of course good clean water, preferably distilled.

In response to lovelife's comment "Prostatitis starts in so many different ways so what one treatment would work for one may not work for another." What makes Chinese Medicine so powerful is when you have a symptom lets say a Migraine in the front part of the head , it is diagnosed in Chinese medicine as Liver Yang Rising, so you would use herbs and or Acupuncture to treat that specific diagnosis, to calm the Liver Yang. It does not matter how the Migraine started, their is always a relationship between symptoms and organs, and that is where the root of the problem is, and it must be balanced.
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"If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

Just a little motivation for ya from one of the greats. Imagine if we just stopped fighting in WWII because we were tired of the on-going battle?

How is everyone doing? I know its been a long, long while since I posted here. I've been extremely busy with work, trying to save as much money as possible as I embark on my next and final endeavor, to finally destroy this monster which I've been battling for the past nine or so months of my life. Time I will never get back. As for some of you, it's been years, and it is so unfortunate.

I've tried to skim through many, many pages here to catch up on some things, so forgive me if I repeat anything others have said before, but I think this will be some refreshing new outlook for a lot of you.

First of all, Harry, I remember you were still having a pretty tough time last time I checked here. I hope things are at least slightly improving for you.

Echosix, anything new with the girl? Keep at it! What's meant to be will be, trust me on that one brother.


Now, lets get into the good stuff. Let's just say I'm kicking myself in the ass, in plain English, for not looking into this sooner, especially since iwillbecured, has sworn by stretching and exercise since the beginning of this discussion! Always had a feeling you were onto something, brah.

So, much like most of you, I have been through the mill with this disorder. 4 different urologists (waste), hospital ER (waste #2), infectious disease specialist (waste #3). Hypothetically, these were all a waste, now that I know what I know now. In fact, the last urologist, and the infectious disease specialist have helped me a tad, since they were the ones who I "used" to get my cultures done. All these doctors played me for so long, so I figured I'd humor them with their office visits in order to get the tests done that I needed to have done. Someone stated earlier in this thread, you must truly be your own advocate with this hell-ridden disorder. So everyone needs to get a game-plan together. This is beatable.

So, after months of antibiotics, doctor's bills, a cystoscopy, CT Scans, Ultrasounds, STD testing, blood tests, urine tests/cultures, semen cultures, even a trip to the Nephrologist for more blood tests and ultrasounds because of an elevated creatinine level, and suspected high blood pressure (turns out I now have "white-coat syndrome" thanks to all these lovely good-news bearing doctors ), I have finally come down to my last and final option, which has made more sense to me than anything I have read, seen, heard, or hypothesized for the last 9 months.

Guess what boys, this problem is due to an infection much, much less than you think. That includes fungus as well, pinballdoctor. Unless you have a proven, positive culture from EPS, semen culture, urine culture, don't count on it. If you have taken multiple courses of antibiotics and your symptoms still persist, don't count on it. If you have had a cystoscopy and your bladder is found to be normal, don't count on infection or Interstitial Cystitis. In fact, I was told by my second urologist that I had IC, after he did the cystoscopy. That was the real life-ruiner for me. Only later did I read the report which stated my bladder was completely normal. Some days, I still wonder, but that's my own psychological battle I must overcome because he decided to burn it into my mind that I had an incurable disease, so only now am I learning to let this blasphemy go!

So, assuming this all comes back negative, and your doctor looks at you like he no longer even knows what planet you are from because he is so stumped, yet still hands you a prescription for a bunch of antibiotic pills (I just call them skittles now because these "medical professionals" hand them out like candy so we can thank them for the upcoming infectious disease pandemic on the horizon), you can almost certainly assume your problem is not infectious, and most likely not urological in nature. Go ahead, say I'm crazy, I know. But its the truth.

How many of you were frequent gym-goers before this all started? And maybe have still continued going through all this, and your symptoms have worsened?

How many of you ever rode long distances on a bike quite frequently?

How many of you never stretched, or did so improperly before running?

How many of you had a fall, or accident before your symptoms came on?

And yes of course, how many of you have actually had an infection, but no longer do?

Three key words here. Remember this: PELVIC FLOOR DYSFUNCTION.

This post is rather long, so I will not go into detail about it here, you can do the research yourself. Search "Male Pelvic Floor Dysfunction". Basically, if you answered yes to any of the above questions, these are things that can trigger your pelvic floor muscles to become chronically tense, causing all of our symptoms. That's the truth. Our pelvic floor muscles control everything, as well as support and surround our pelvic organs, including our bladder, prostate, colon, etc. Anal pain? Prostate pain? Perineal pain? Pain worse with sitting? Pain feel better in a hot shower or bath? Pain with urination? Pain with sex or ejaculation? Pain with defecation? Abdominal pain? Radiating pain in legs, back, bladder, urethra? Urethral burning? Urinary frequency? Urinary urgency? Nocturia? All can be caused by pelvic floor dysfunction. In fact, most doctors do not even know a damn thing about this condition. So, pills it is...wrong. If you don't have a proven infection, stop damaging your body and get on a pro-biotic immediately, please!

I found a woman online, her name is Amy Stein. She owns and operates a physical therapy studio in Manhattan. She is a very, very well known physical therapist. She wrote a book called "Heal Pelvic Pain". I purchased it at Barnes & Noble for about $16.00 USD. You can get it on Amazon used for like $7 if you'd like. I'm not hear to sell her book, but its an excellent read. In fact, it made so much sense to me after reading the book, that I am now going once a week to her office for physical therapy where I receive massage therapy, stretching techniques, and internal pelvic floor massage. If you'd like to just read about pelvic floor dysfunction, or actually read testimonials of patients of hers that have been...ready for this word...it's a big one we all love to hear...cured, her website can be viewed here. Alot of good information there.

Now, for all you gym rats like me, here's some good forum discussions to read over. Keep in mind, I used to be a heavy squatter, and a long distance bike rider. I took exercise to excessive levels. I was addicted to crossfit type circuit and powerlifting workouts. Guess where I think that got me? Here.

Here's the links. Read what these guys have to say. So many nerves pass through these muscles, which sends pain, burning, tingling, numbness, etc radiation in a million different directions. It's all so real, and, if in fact your problem is muscular in nature, it is correctable. So, there is hope, and a lot of it too.

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EDIT** Here is another good read for you guys. Further reinforces my theory about squatting or other heavy lifting.

Also, if you want to read an excerpt from her book, check it out here.

So, like many of you, I was EXTREMELY HEALTHY when this all began. I drank occasionally on the weekends with friends, but at 20 who didn't? So, tomorrow, I will be returning to Manhattan for my second physical therapy session, and have been doing stretches at home. The first session was more of an evaluation than a treatment, so I am pretty pumped for tomorrow, and I'm hoping to kick this off and get the ball rolling. I don't know about you guys, but I want my life back!


Be easy guys, and as always, thoughts, discussion, questions welcomed!

-Sparky
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:43 PM
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Hey Sparky,

It's funny you mention Amy Stein - I had read her book a few months ago and the stretches I do are from her book - I do them almost daily but nowhere near as much as she suggests (I did mention it in a post a few months ago). I do highly recommend the book as well!

I consider myself 90%+ better as of this post and still slowly improving.

The thing is I really believe we have to treat for multiple issues (whether it's an infection or pelvic floor disorder or pudendal nerve entrapment etc) and I've been doing that even though I don't know and probably will never know exactly what I have.

I'm on the iwillbecured protocol (all his pills except for the antibiotics because I couldn't get any more scripts after 3 months). I frequently stretch according to that book. I visit a pelvic floor physical therapist once a week (was doing twice a week but since I improved we went to once a week). I try to relax, try to get massages if I can.

Heck, I may even try pinballdoctor's diet program just for the hell of it - I don't think it can hurt and I'll probably lose a few pounds.

I wrote a whole long post a while ago that I was doing much better and I really didn't get a response. One person sent me a message but that was pretty much it. I even tried to reach out personally to HarryCrumb cause I know how much pain he's in but really didn't get much of a response -- Harry, I'm just trying to help.

Sparky, please keep us updated on your progress and I will do the same.
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:51 PM
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Awesome jdib. It really is a great book. Honestly, I'm almost certain now that this is most definitely due to heavy lifting or long bike riding. In fact, I'm beginning to think I never had an infection at all, so I basically took 3.5 months of antibiotics for nothing.

The only things I take now are fish oil, pro-biotic, and some zinc. I'm going to be doing therapy once a week also. The woman I saw said she would like to see me twice a week but understands it is fairly expensive, and not exactly around the corner (I live in New Jersey so I take two trains to get to Penn Station in Manhattan, then walk about 13 blocks I believe it is to get to Amy's office). Also, after giving my complete history, and having her evaluate me (both external and internal muscles), she says its not too bad. She says my pelvic muscles as well as my hip flexors and some others are pretty tight, but she still believes I'm in the early stages of this, and I believe it because it hasn't even been a year yet.

How long ago did your symptoms start jdib?
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:06 PM
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Sparky,

The only thing I can suggest is that you try your hardest not to say you're "almost certain" because I can bet in the past you were almost certain it was something else - lol. That's why I'm treating for all issues cause I'll never be certain.
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The only thing I can suggest is that you try your hardest not to say you're "almost certain" because I can bet in the past you were almost certain it was something else - lol. That's why I'm treating for all issues cause I'll never be certain.

Very true. The thing is, I have treated for everything else so many times, I've probably done more harm than good, as I've had multiple semen cultures and urine cultures, and an excessive amount of antibiotics. So I'm 99% sure there is no infection. The only thing that leaves is muscular/nerve situations, which can be dealt with through the proper healing methods.
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sparky90 nice to see you back again. I have read your previous posts with a lot of interest and had wondered why you disappeared. I actually assumed that you got cured and you had no reason to read this forum anymore. My case might be similar to yours since I have had this for about 4 months now so quite in the early stages. Also, it started in a way similar to yours (after an oral unprotected sexual encounter). I am 1000% sure that this was the trigger (an infection) because I never ever experienced this before. I remember yours started after anal sex. I do not mean to contradict what you just said but does that not point towards an infection? Of course it might be that the infection started it, the infection now cleared due to the antibiotics but triggered the pelvic disfunction that causes all this crap. I also slowly start to believe that this is not an infection anymore although it started like that. I also do not really want to go through more useless visits with uros and through all those probably useless tests that you made the effort to do (cystoscopy, CT scans etc) that I am 99% sure will show nothing like in your case. I had a positive semen culture at the very beginning and took a long 6 week course of levofloxacin which is a quite powerful antibiotic. Honestly if this did not kill it probably no other antibiotic will. It left me with some bad side effects which thankfully subsided but I do not want to take those drugs anymore. I think that antibiotics are useful but if they do not help after one or two long rounds then they are the wrong course of action.

Now I try to learn more about the pelvic syndrome which is well documented on the www.chronicprostatitis.com site. It seems that many many people found cure doing stretches and physical therapy. I might even pay the $20 to become a member in the forum there and read more stuff. In their site there is tons of info, if you click on the causes (and there are many causes that can start prostatitis) you will see also infection as one of the triggers. To me there are a few things that make me believe that this is not an infection anymore. My symptoms have changed (pain has changed location but still radiates to a few other spots as well). My urination and ejaculation feel completely normal now as opposed to the beginning. I would think that if the prostate has a problem it would surely affect somehow the urination/ejaculation like it did when all this started. I also noticed that after a long sleep I always ALWAYS feel completely normal. The pain and discomfort slowly starts creeping during the day. With my primitive thinking a muscle relaxes for many hours during sleeping so when you wake up you feel normal again. Then you start working during the day tensing your muscles maybe even stressing a bit (another trigger and I have noticed that the days I am stressed my prostatitis flares up) so your pelvic muscles start the vicious cycle of pain again since they have not fully healed. I am not a doctor but to me this points to a muscle disfunction. Does anyone else have noticed that after sleeping they feel normal for a few hours?

You guessed right I never did stretches before exercise and I have spent the last 10 years driving motorbikes which unfortunately is very difficult to stop it since I live in Thailand. The best advice that I got from my uro was probably when he told me to get off bicycles and motorbikes.

I decided to give the stretches a try. I will start with the ones from the link of Iwillbecured.

http://www.freewebs.com/trydent78/index.htm

sparky90 I remember you tried those at the beginning. I know it is better to go to a physical therapist but that it is probably a good start. Please stay on the forum and keep us updated on your physical therapy. Thanks for your post, we need more of those here because so many of us just go to the wrong direction because of lack of knowledge and because most of us agree that uros unfortunately have no clue about the pelvic disfunction condition.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:27 PM
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Kite Surfer,

Great to hear from you. Once again, I apologize for my long leave of absence. As you know, dealing with this is pure hell, and consumes a lot of time. I work construction 6 days a week now after having to give up college and the hours are extremely long. I'm usually extremely tired when I get home, and don't have any energy to even get on the computer!

Anyway, I've noticed a few things that you experience that are very similar to my situation. The mornings, for me, are completely pain free just like yours. My ejaculation and urination have improved, but I use that word hesitantly, as I still have a difficult time with both, which includes hard time emptying my bladder completely, and less than normal ejaculatory force. Turns out, these two functions are drastically affected by pelvic muscle dysfunction. Much like you, my pain slowly creeps on as well, and I feel the best after a LONG sleep.

In the beginning I strongly believed this to be infectious in nature. I now question that idea. In all honesty, I have never had a positive culture, either of urine or semen. Then again, I was given antibiotics first in the beginning without proper diagnostic testing, which was the first mistake made by the doctors, and the first of many that is. To answer your question, yes, infections can trigger these chronic tension responses. The good news is that they can be healed. Much like an injured shoulder, they can be healed, but require the proper therapy. Stretching is fantastic, but don't overdo it at first, as this could actually send you backwards by aggravating the muscles. This must be done in moderation according everything I have read. You don't simply go into the gym and bench press 400 pounds the day after you sign up. This is similar, but instead we are focusing on relaxation techniques. The therapy is good because therapists are trained to do things such as myofascial release (trigger points), certain massage therapies, etc. Much of this needs to be done internally as well, which is damn near impossible, I'd guess, on your own.

My view on this...why not give it a shot? I've spent so much money on other useless doctors and medications, and only now do I realize how much more sense this approach makes than any of those did. Part of that was my fault. I allowed myself to buy into their schemes. Once you convince yourself you have an infection, your mind will haunt you about it. Do yourself a favor and have some cultures done, rule out STD's, and MAYBE have a cystoscopy if you'd like to rule out bladder problems which I doubt you have (I won't lie cystoscopy is painful). All of these tests, if not for anything else, will allow you to rule out these potential problems, and move away from the urologists once and for all. Most of all, have some faith. Many times I just plain didn't believe my test results. Always in the back of my mind I thought there were still some bugs crawling around inside my prostate. This is not the case at all. My second semen culture proved that, so that gave me some closure.

Either way, they say that 95% of prostatitis cases are non-bacterial. I never believed it. Now I do. Muscles and nerves are tricky things. They can produce pains that are different each time they spasm. They can produce sensations of aching, burning, itching, you name it. The idea of the physical therapy is to relax, release, and lengthen the muscles to get them firing correctly again. This will allow them to be more flexible and allow more bloodflow. Once you restore proper bloodflow, they should start healing. Our bodies are extremely resilient, don't doubt them, we are awesome pieces of machinery.

I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress and will post here tomorrow after my physical therapy session!

Stay sharp!

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Sparky,

Don't expect any quick fixes, you're not gonna walk out of a therapy session saying I feel great now. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way - you'll just notice over time that all the sudden you're feeling better.
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