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Old 12-18-2010, 04:38 AM
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Default In need of some kind words / support ._. (digestion, liver, hair-loss)

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Don't worry it's really nothing too serious at all (I've posted about this before) but I just want it all to be over so much, you know? I thought I would try to let it out here as the membership here seem (compliments coming up! lol) intelligent, open-minded and also like, considerate!

I just, I think I know what's wrong with me but it's been such a rollercoaster, and I'm still not totally sure. For those who haven't seen a thread of mine before I had quite strong digestive intolerances to eggs and also to a lesser extent some fats, followed by rapid skin thinning and out of the blue male pattern hair loss. My current view is that I had a disruption of my flow of bile from the liver, leading to poor fat absorption and toxic and hormonal build-up in the liver resulting in inadequate removal of male hormones (resulting in male hair loss). A combination of liver-based malabsorption and hormonal imbalance, basically.

But it's just so scary, I want this to be over so much I really do

Currently I'm trying to get lots of apple cider vinegar as apparently the malic acid in apples is very effective at breaking up biliary sludge and small stones. I'm also planning multiple liver "flushes" to purge all the old bile and stuff out of there and give it a fresh start, and planning to use Oxy-powder for an intestinal cleanse plus Clarkia, garlic and probiotics for parasites, bad bacteria and any fungal issues and watermelon (seed tea) as a kidney cleanse. ACV is also I believe good for overall digestive health, even stomach acid!

AND I'm planning to use some "quick-fix" things on my hair like spironolactone and maybe Eucapil/minoxidil or something.

I'm just so scared, you know? I know that's pathetic but I just want it to go away so much and just to feel like the old ME again :'(

I'm sorry, I just needed to voice this so much. I love my body but right now I feel like I'm fighting a battle against it and I just want it to HELP me

Sorry. I am so proud of myself that I think that (with the help of some others) I have come to understand the way my digestive health triggered my skin and hair problems, but I don't know, it's just so hard to relax until it's totally fixed, you know?

That's all really, I guess I just felt I needed some support and stuff. My hair and skin also means so much to me, and this whole episode has been scary and unpleasant

I really think I could benefit from someone or whatever to "hold my hand" while I fix this but I dunno who to ask or where to go ._.

AND if I do it, I think I will be able to cure other guy's hair problems as long as they are older than about 22 when it starts!! I think it's ALL the liver (and to a lesser extent the kidneys) past that age!

Anyway... yeah. Thanks for reading - I hope..

oo and yay I just got my Oxy-powder in the post that I ordered yesterday! That's perked me up some!!

but yeah lol, sorry to bore everyone with this, I'm on CureZone too but I find this forum feels a little bit warmer and more comforting for things like this and if anyone does like, feel like being my lil buddy/shoulder while I get through this that would be SO appreciated, but I understand if not as I know that's a big-ish thing to ask!

Thanks for being there natmedtalk, I'll try to be a more active member in future

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Old 12-18-2010, 08:59 AM
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hi Hoppi!

Yes, it is rather distressing when you're young and male models with thick heads of hair are the posterboys of what a desirable male is projected to be. Let me tell ya something.....hair is VERY overrated, just like money Of course that doesn't really help much, but you'll see what mean eventually.

Anyway, I can't stress this enough.....inflammation via food sources is the number one reason to eat 'cleanly' from this moment on, if you want to stop your hair loss.
Read labels and pretend refined sugars & starches, trans-fatty acids and processed oils are poo. They pound down healthy enzymes related to skin and hair (prostaglandins). And they also affect liver health. Consuming those products have a massive affect on hormonal balance and other various metabolic functions. The first indication that your body is in need of nutritional change is generally always shown through your hair & nails. All the supplements in the world aren't going to help you if you don't give your body the fuel it needs to repair itself.
Eat like a bodybuilder. It's all clean meats & fish, lots of veggies and some fruit.

Another suggestion would be to stop with all the supplements & 'quick fixes' until you have your thyroid levels properly checked. Both excess and insufficient levels of T3/T4 can cause hair loss. If you do need to be on Triiodothyronine, you'll want to check your iodine levels as well since iodine is needed for conversion of T3 to T4. (Avoid using the synthetic T4, if it is prescribed as that can further inhibit iodine levels.)

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Old 12-18-2010, 10:36 AM
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I have two sons about your age... and both are loosing hair. I hope you figure out the cause of your hair loss because much of it is normal changes at your age as it is a genetic issue not a health issue for most young men who do have hair loss.

Since my son's dad lost his hair quite young as well as their grandfather on the maternal side they grew up with the anticipation that it might happen to them.

When Trav was about 5 years old he and his dad decided to shave the top of his head leaving hair around the sides in the typical male pattern baldness right.. I have the photo of them with the same hairdo, bald on top, making muscles with their arms and laughing... so much of how men deal with the loss of hair is determined by their emotional state about it. If they feel good and strong about their identity if relfects in all they are and do and no one thinks the less of them for it, even the girls.. Even though they have signficiantly receding hair lines at age 22 and 25 the girls seem not to care.

Just make sure your not trying to fix something that is not going to repond to fixing. Most male pattern baldness comes from the mothers side of the family.

I think all the things you are attempting to do otherwise is just find and will not hurt you... But I do agree with KindtoCreatures that if you are going to try to dink with hormones you should have some professional help and a good naturopathic doctor should be able to help you.
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:50 AM
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Just because it's normal doesn't mean it's healthy lol

I think that the liver plays a HUGE role in male hair loss, while the kidneys might play second fiddle! I know people don't agree though ._. it's just the problem is hormonal. I cured one guy's mpb just by telling him to stop drinking so much green tea lol - and his hair recovered!
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Good to hear from you Hoppi, it's been awhile! Good luck with your cleanse, I hope you get good results from it. Have you been taking any Milk Thistle for liver support/detoxing? If not I suggest that you do.

As far as minoxidil, I'd stay away from that stuff. There's more natural products out there like Procerin, although more expensive. Ingredients are things like alpha linolenic acid, evening primrose oil, avocado oil, saw palmetto, grape seed extract, pygeum, stinging nettle and vitamins. Maybe you could make a mix on your own.
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Yeah I dunno about maternal blame for most male pattern baldness anymore. If ya think about it, even though the entire human genome was mapped out since 2003-ish, the genes responsible for male pattern baldness haven't even been identified yet.

Research is churning up that just one gene isn't responsible for genetic & hereditary causes, and MPB can even skip generations before becoming apparent again. There's no set pattern really~ so the current idea is that pattern baldness is not just Mom's fault any more, and it is likely due to abnormalities in several genes inherited from both parents.


This is an interesting read on the topic Genetic Basis of Male Pattern Baldness
http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v1.../5602102a.html

There's also the idea that in those with baldness caused by higher amounts of dihydrotestosterone, blocking the DHT from binding to hair follicles could slow hair loss as well. When DHT binds to hair follicles, it prevents them from receiving nutrients resulting in the individual hairs becoming finer & ultimately dying. But again, it's not wise to experiment without knowing the cause first.
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:32 PM
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Also you have to remember it was really only one of my symptoms of all this, I don't think it's a problem in it's own right, you know? It's definitely the most annoying thing though lol
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Gary Null has a protocol for reversing hair loss naturally.
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Originally Posted by Gary Null and Martin Feldman
Nutritional Intervention Reverses Damage to Hair and Skin Caused by Aging and Genetic Predispositions(2006-7) study for info"

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The 'repair' portion of our program involves the hypothesis of our study: that the consumption of the high quantities of phytochemicals present in the juices, vegetables, and fruits, and their natural powdered concentrates, will help repair damage done both to the immune system as well as help the health of the hair and skin. Participants consumed fruit and green juices at a ratio of five vegetable juices to each fruit juice. Each participant began by consuming one 16-ounce glass of juice per day in week 1 and built up to eight glasses per day in week 8.

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this built on his earlier Hair Study from 1995.

However most participants dropped out of both studies because the lifestyle modifications were too demanding. Minimizing toxins, eating a vegan plant based diet with lots of juices and frequent exercise is more of a hassle to most than eating the same comfort foods, being sedentary and bald.
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Yeah erm, I'm sorry if I reacted bluntly about the hair thing. I just think it's so, so, so important that people remember that male pattern baldness after the age of about 22 indicates a HORMONAL CHANGE, you know? Whether that is the body's response to it's androgens that has changed, or the body's production or removal of androgens, I think it's so essential that people don't just consider AGA in males as ok and natural simply because it's common, or simply because some guys start getting it as soon as they finish puberty (or sometimes even mid-puberty!!).

Like, if many guys took steroids, they'd lose hair, if they drunk 5 cups of green tea everyday, they'd lose hair (both due to hyperandrogenism), and I believe if they developed a liver condition (such as a fatty liver or blocked biliary tubing) they would lose hair too! Why? Because inadequate REMOVAL of androgens is PRECISELY the same in this respect as increased PRODUCTION of androgens! Hell, if you increased androgens in about 25% of WOMEN they would lose hair too!

In anyone over 22, I believe AGA indicates a hormonal imbalance, and it is therefore a symptom, not a condition in it's own right! I'm starting to feel like a mad scientist here lol ^_^
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Yes, well....you know, you're frustrated over the whole mess.

There's so many things, as you mentioned, that could be the cause of hair loss in men & women....like you could add periodontal disease to that list. It's difficult to help when access to your whole history is limited. For instance, have you had blood tests to determine if you have thyroid issues or high blood insuline levels? Seems to me that if you haven't changed your dietary habits to eating cleanly, your triglyceride counts are going to remain high, which means more fatty build up in your liver and the use of herbs, supplements, liver cleanses, quick fixes will be counterproductive unless you go back to basics & change what you're consuming as food. Lowering insulin levels is essential through sugar, starch & grain restriction.

What's an example of your daily meals. What did you eat today?


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I think fingers crossed I should be alright now! I've adopted a regimen that worked for my friend who had a very similar chain of events that also led to male pattern baldness (his hair is now fine and regrowing). His focus was on morning exercise and pomegranate fruit (lots of it), but also a healthy lifestyle and diet and lots of cucumbers, watermelon and walnuts! Sounds random but it just cleans your digestive system top to bottom and wakes your liver up each morning! I'll post here if it works for me too
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