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Old 10-19-2012, 02:35 AM
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Its a simple question, would it be smart to mix 2-3 differend brands of probiotics, with differend kind of bacterias??



Basically is this valid? i found it reading about the issue:


It is ESSENTIAL to mix as many different types of probiotics as you can.

Your gut is like a rainforest.

When the rainforest has been cut down you don't replant with a single species of pine.

You try to put back as many different species as you can.

For me, it took me out of my first ever flare, and I've never looked back.

The following fixed me right up. I'm not on any meds and am back to normal.

This is my diary entry from January, detailing how i felt and what i took. all were refrigerated, from the chemist. I took a capsule of each, twice a day.

"I think I am cured. I feel great. Putting on weight. no pain. no blood, no mucous, no diahrroea.



The thing that turned me around was heaps and heaps of probiotics.

As soon as I started taking them I got better very quickly.

I have been taking 226.788 billion organisms each day of 13 types.


OK im not planing to take that many, but is this valid?
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:18 AM
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It's certainly not "essential"; actually, take too many different kinds of probiotics at once and their effectiveness will be diminished as they will all compete against each other for gut space + nutrients. Those of the same species form colonies and "get along" much better.

That said, you do want some variety because different species colonize different areas of your digestive tract and play different roles.

A good article on probiotic supplements:

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A good probiotic formula is absolutely essential for long-term intestinal health, and long-term parasite control. When choosing a probiotic, look for the following characteristics:

Not all strains of beneficial bacteria are created equal. For each type of bacteria, there are recognized super strains. Choose a formula that uses only recognized super strains of beneficial bacteria -- clearly identified as such on the label or in the company literature.
Make sure the probiotic formula you choose includes the all-important supernatant -- the medium the culture was grown in. The supernatant, contains a multitude of beneficial byproducts of the growth process, including: vitamins, enzymes, antioxidants, and immune boosters.
Then there's the question of how many live microorganisms are left in your formula when you actually use it. Pick up any probiotic formula, look at the label, and you'll see something like: "Contains 13 billion live organisms per capsule at time of manufacture." And that's the problem: "at time of manufacture."
The die-off rate for probiotics can be astounding. Most formulas will experience a die-off approaching log 3 within just 60 days of manufacture. That means that the 13 billion you see on the label may be down to 13 million, or less, by the time you use it. Heat and moisture accelerate the process, which is why most manufacturers recommend keeping your probiotic supply refrigerated.

There are many beneficial bacteria that can be contained in a good probiotic, but two are preeminent. To maximize the probiotic benefits, look for a formula based on these two:

L. acidophilus resides primarily in the small intestine and produces a number of powerful antimicrobial compounds in the gut (including: acidolin, acidolphilin, lactocidin, and bacteriocin). These compounds can inhibit the growth and toxin producing capabilities of some 23 known disease-causing pathogens (including: campylobacter, listeria, and staphylococci), as well as reduce tumor growth and effectively neutralize or inhibit carcinogenic substances.
It's also important to note that L. acidophilus is the primary beneficia bacteria in the vaginal tract. When the presence of the acidophilus is compromised, this allows the bad guys such as Gardnerella vaginalis or E. coli or Chlamydia to take over.

Many researchers believe that declining levels of bifidobacteria in the large intestine actually mark the eventual onset of chronic degenerative disease. Bifidobacteria benefit the body in a number of ways. They consume old fecal matter, have the ability to remove cancer-forming elements (or the enzymes which lead to their formation), and protect against the formation of liver, colon, and mammary gland tumors.

More is not always better. Too many beneficial bacteria in one formula may find the bacteria competing with each other before they can establish themselves in separate areas of the intestinal tract. On the other hand, there are several other bacteria that are extremely beneficial in any probiotic formula.

L salivarius helps digest foods for a healthy intestinal tract and makes vital nutrients more assimilable. It also works to eat away encrusted fecal matter throughout the entire colon; it helps repair the intestinal tract by providing needed enzymes and essential nutrients; and it adheres to the intestinal wall, thereby forming a living matrix that helps protect the mucosal lining.

L. rhamnosus is powerful for immune system support. It can increase the natural killing activity of spleen cells, which may help to prevent tumor formation. It boosts the ability of the body to destroy foreign invaders and other harmful matter by three times normal activity; and has been shown to increase circulating antibody levels by six to eight times.

L. plantarum has the ability to eliminate thousands of species of pathogenic bacteria. It also as extremely high adherence potential for epithelial tissue and seems to favor colonizing the same areas of the intestinal tract that E. coli prefers -- in effect, serving to crowd E. coli out of the body. At one time, plantarum was a major part of our diets (found in sourdough bread, sauerkraut, etc.), but is now virtually nowhere to be found.

Note: a good probiotic formulation will usually contain fructooligosaccharides (FOS) which help promote the growth of beneficial bacteria. For some friendly bacteria, such as the Bifidus, FOS can increase their effectiveness by a factor of 1,000 times or more!!
From http://www.jonbarron.org/article/probiotic-miracle

Not every bacteria/ingredient listed in the above article is necessary, but it provides good guidelines for the more effective supplements.
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Even better then taking probiotic supplements is to eat fermented veggies as well, which have even greater benefits. Making your own is cheap, increases the nutritional value and availability of the nutrients in the vegetables, and fermented vegetables double as enzyme supplements as well as providing probiotics. There are loads of recipes online.
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I read one article which was written mixed probiotics maybe have worse affect and have bad efficacy. do you think is it true? why?
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Its a simple question, would it be smart to mix 2-3 differend brands of probiotics, with differend kind of bacterias??


I have been taking 226.788 billion organisms each day of 13 types.
Yeah 226cfu's would be for some extreme case, likely in combination with multiple heavy antibiotics. Normally, its just not necessary.

So to answer your question, it really depends on what you are trying to get out of the probiotics. Different strands have different effects on the body; some aid in stress reduction, some with breaking down lactose, others specifically fight yeast or treat diarrhea. On and on. I will assume you know the importance of the carrier shell that encapsulate the probiotic and the filler to keep them happy. Is mixing going to cause problems? Depends who you are asking. I don't see solid (repeated and varied source) data to suggest there is a definite problem. I would suggest finding a decently rated probiotic with a strong time release shell, a good food support for the bacteria, a high cfu rating (30-50cfh) and then find something around 30 strands. Let the rest alone. Strands are kinda like dogs, there are lots of dogs designed for hunting or running. Not just 2 dogs. Many good brand probiotics will have multiple strands that can tackle redundancy.
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