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I've never really researched it, I just wanted to see if this was completely opposite as so many other things I've come to realize are.
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I've never really researched it, I just wanted to see if this was completely opposite as so many other things I've come to realize are.
Well, it's a real disorder. The problem being is that not everyone with the disorder has the same triggers. And another problem with getting a true diagnosis
is that there's shared symptoms of bi-polar with schizophrenia, and many get incorrectly diagnosed with ADHD.
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All psychological disorders are essentially fake, they are not real physiological defects as portrayed. The biggest harm is often the diagnosis itself, because when you tell someone they are "x" in an authoritative institutional setting, with the backing of an overly powerful profession certified by the university system it becomes real. Few have the fortitude and internal resolve to escape the shadow that a psychiatric diagnosis will cast over them. These people learn to integrate it into their identity and play out the role in life of a hampered person.
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All psychological disorders are essentially fake, they are not real physiological defects as portrayed.
Are you saying you feel all psychological disorders are instead caused by defective brain development? Could you elaborate? Because I don't understand how you can make such a bold statement that all psychological disorders are essentially fake.
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Are you saying you feel all psychological disorders are instead caused by defective brain development? Could you elaborate? Because I don't understand how you can make such a bold statement that all psychological disorders are essentially fake.

Schizophrenia is real (and it has a biochemical basis) but many of these disorders are questionable.

ADHD: sure its real, but the treatment should not be drugs, it should be a dietary change and an ass kicking if needed.
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Schizophrenia, ADHD and all the other alleged disorders you are naming are constructed by the psychiatric/drug industry and thus fake disorders. Most of the writers of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders have Big Pharma connections. You cannot point to a source that actually proves any of the purported physical or hereditary differences that the people "disabled" by this profession have.
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My nephew was miserable to be around on the weekends, when his parents withheld his ritalin. When I had ADD, it was just called hyperactive. No medicine required, just physical and mental punishment.

I have a dear friend whose teenage son is autistic. They wish otherwise.
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Autism is another fake hereditary disorder. Mike Adams did an interview with Eleni Prokopeas, a mother who reversed her son's autism by detoxing him. Her website Greendivamom has a wealth of info on how to do this. Gary Null did a documentary called Autism Made in the USA freely available on Youtube(click the link) and so many articles and so much research on this. Autism is caused mostly by childhood vaccinations, the kids start out normal in development and then become barely functional afterwards. It can be reversed with holistic practices.

Your nephew is largely miserable to be around because people don't know how to raise kids. People in our society have the mistaken belief that kids are meant to never do any work, that they are creatures meant to carelessly play all day and that you must buy them toys often to train them as a future consumer-producer of goods and services. Even kids without this fake diagnosis are brats you do not want to be around much, especially if they are not your own. They have no discipline and their parents themselves reinforce and prolong into them the "me, me, me" mentality that younger children a priori already have.

I could write alot more on this, but that is enough. I am not a nanny and cannot convince anyone of anything on a webforum, nor should I, I just can offer a few quick arguments with proof that is better than anecdotal. Good information on such subjects is always out there, you just have to find it, it will never come to you as many of you might expect. I will just point out that if you know someone who has these fake disorders, watch Generation RX or have them watch it. That documentary exposes the collusion of Big Pharma with the psychiatric care industry and its lack of any effectiveness in any field other than generating billions and ruining lives. Another good source is the well noted industry dissident Peter Breggin and his website, numerous books, articles, interviews and recent Radio Show on the Progresive radio network.
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Schizophrenia, ADHD and all the other alleged disorders you are naming are constructed by the psychiatric/drug industry and thus fake disorders. Most of the writers of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders have Big Pharma connections. You cannot point to a source that actually proves any of the purported physical or hereditary differences that the people "disabled" by this profession have.

(And bipolar)

I don't agree that mental disorders are fake merely because most of the writers of the manual have Big Pharma connections. The same could be said about the entire medical field, including universities, since they have the same connections with BP.

Essentially you're saying that over 2 million adults in the US, who would love nothing more than to just have a 'normal' week, but suffer from bipolar symptoms... are faking. Many don't take meds for their symptoms, but there are those who cave & use them to help them cope because they need to hold down a job if they want to eat.

Ongoing studies using positron emission tomography (PET), MRI and fMRI have shown that the people suffering with bipolar disorder generally have brains that differ from a healthy brain.

And certainly dysfunctioning neurotransmitters are considered to be 'real physiological defects'.




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Psychological disorders are fake. The whole foundations of psychology since Freud have been falsified. Freud always said his theories and constructs were developed from his works with schizophrenic patients but he never left any real sources from this kind of work.

Erich Fromm in The Sane Society turns psychiatry and psychology on its head. He says that their model has always been that if you cannot adjust or cope with society there is something wrong with you. Fromm reverses this saying that when a society itself is insane, the only response of the sensitive and sane minority is to not adjust manifesting in what we term as psychological disorders. He points that the elites of the most powerful countries at the time of writing, the USA and USSR developed the doctrine of mutually assured destruction(MAD) for the most powerful atomic weapons developed by man. Essentially the doctrine goes, our enemy will not destroy the world, because we will let them know we will destroy it first in any nuclear exchange, thus maintain stasis! Does this sound like a world order built by a sane civilization? NO, it is a the world order of destructive, violent, imperialistic societies!

Fromm was right and the mainstream is/was and will always be wrong. We are adapting ourselves to a mode of living that we are not meant to be adapted to. Kids enter school starting at around six and what happens to them? They are constantly graded from A to F or from 0 to 100 until at least age 18(in theory where I live but many go on for 4 year tertiary degrees till 22 or even beyond). Essentially they are told every day for over a decade, "today your value is 80 out of 100 or a B", this places great psychological stress not seen before modern schooling. People also no longer have meaningful relationships with others, they have no community, what they term as friends are just unreliable, flaky people whom they cannot count on but rely on for mutual amusement and entertainment. I could go on, but that will suffice. Like I said I cannot spoon feed people knowledge. As time transpires our society gets worse, goes more insane. That is why the number of people that are deemed mentally ill, obese, etc., always increases, because more and more people cannot adjust to the insanity of the normative values. If it was really genetic and physiological as the mainstream model supposes it would stay at a constant rate, but these numbers increase near exponentially as our horrible society only concerned with money continues to evolve its narrow efficiency sacrificing more and more human values as time expands. This just leaves more wrecks of human beings in its wake.

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I do not believe pshycological disorders are fake and promoting it as such is a huge insult and dis-service to those who suffer from them

The causes can be multifold and may be different in people holding the same diagnosis.

Diet, artifical chemical exposure or heavy metals, hormones, tumor, microbes, heredity, birth defect, could all or individually play a part.

Other parts of the body suffer disease, so why would you assume that the brain does not? The pshychological disorder is the result of deeply impregnated disease with in the brain/nervous system that causes mental symptoms of abnormal perception and response.. that the doctors usually cannot diagnose the cause of. Most doctors these days do not believe that it is all phsychological. They do understand that there are underlaying causes but they do not know how to treat the causes so they spend their time managing symptoms to provide comfort and stability to the patient.

A true psychological disorder, that means, with no underlaying disease is most commonly caused by child abuse in its vast array of manefestations, and yes the school system can be abusive but generally not to the level to drive people into disfunction of any severe degree. Lying to children is abusive also as it cuts them from their own truth held within their intuition, hence they learn to misperceive the world,, all of this can be caused by adult abuse also if the adult is not pshycologically strong... hence brainwashing, wife abuse, husband abuse, and all the dysfunction that comes from it..

Bipolar I would suggest is most a physicological issue that can become complex with truly psychological overlays.
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They are not psychological disorders, like I said people are living how they were never meant to be. We are adjusting and adapting to a mode of life only concerned with the creation of more capital and sacrificing our well being more and more. That is the problem not imagined physiological defects. People for one are not meant to be sedentary but our society almost forces us to be so. If you don't move and and have a constant dearth of physical exercise you get depressed, morose, you physically degenerate faster, you lose flexibility etc. When you constantly exercise for at least 20 minutes you get positive effects for up to 12 hours afterward:
Feeling Good after Exercise Lasts Longer than Expected

The general trend is that people are picking up more negative, self-defeating habits as time passes and abandoning more life affirming ones to adapt to a growingly hectic, overly technological pace of life. It is no wonder why the so called mental illness industry is booming.
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They are not psychological disorders, like I said people are living how they were never meant to be. We are adjusting and adapting to a mode of life only concerned with the creation of more capital and sacrificing our well being more and more. That is the problem not imagined physiological defects. People for one are not meant to be sedentary but our society almost forces us to be so. If you don't move and and have a constant dearth of physical exercise you get depressed, morose, you physically degenerate faster, you lose flexibility etc. When you constantly exercise for at least 20 minutes you get positive effects for up to 12 hours afterward:
Feeling Good after Exercise Lasts Longer than Expected

The general trend is that people are picking up more negative, self-defeating habits as time passes and abandoning more life affirming ones to adapt to a growingly hectic, overly technological pace of life. It is no wonder why the so called mental illness industry is booming.
Bi Polar is a disease, however, the proper treatment would be aerobic exercise and some psychological counseling, not drugs!
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The brain has neuroplasticity, the ability to change and alter its structure, akin to how with physical exercise you can alter your muscular-skeletal system. You can alter your brain structure by meditating, learning new languages, etc. Basically if you do something over and over, your body and mind both adapt to make it easier to perform that repetitive task in the future. If you workout with weights and increase the weight every session, plus eat more similarly your body will adapt by gaining muscular bodyweight. If you think negative, maladaptive thoughts constantly you adapt and change your long-term brain structure to make it easier to do so.

But you can also do this with positive practices like meditation:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0001897
http://www.investigatinghealthyminds...BuddhaIEEE.pdf
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I see BiPolar as a disorder, not a disease.The ones I'm aware of who have it, have terrific mood swings & may have few friends because of them.
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