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Something that I'm putting a lot of time and energy into is flushing my liver and gallbladder.

http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_c...r_cleanses.php

Look at what may be in your gallbladder:

http://www.gallbladderdetox.com/
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mommysunshine, I'm not a sales person for these but I find them very good.

http://www.inspiredwellbeing.com/sto...0-tablets.html
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I hope more people will comment on the olive oil/episom salt cleanse...is this for real...or not?
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Absolutely, the liver flush is essential for some people. I know people who have to do it every year.. but others never get any results from doing it. It all depends on your constitution. Some people just have the predisposition for collecting stones.

I recommend a bowel cleanse before a liver flush. You want to make sure that your bowels are open before you detox further. This may not be necessary for all people.

During a liver or bowel cleanse you may discover that you actually have parasites. This is often the time when people discover this disagreeable fact. So you will want to do the liver flush next, after the bowel cleanse, then followed by the paraste cleanse. Why the liver flush first? Because you need your digestive organs open and functioning. Part of the reason that you may have acquaired parasites in the first place is because your digestive system is clogged.

On this page you will get to read lots of different viewpoints.
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ga...iver_flush.asp

This page has the recipe for doing the flush. It is the only flush that I recommend, although you can use lemon juice instead of grapefruit juice. The epsom salts are essential as it will relax the common bile duct and make it easy for passage of larger stones if you should have them.
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Warnings on Epsom Salts
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ep...iver_flush.asp

Photos of stones obtained from flushes
http://curezone.com/ig/f.asp?f=12

A good place to shop for flush products
http://drclarkstore.com/
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mommysunshine, I'm not a sales person for these but I find them very good.

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Thanks Ozzie, I'm taking milk thistle and selenium but hadn't considered Taurine. I hope to get enough from eating meat and combining rice and beans but there is no way to know for sure.

The liver flushes have become very real to me. I've been doing them every two weeks since June. At first I was skeptical but the more I do them and see the stones and compare them to what is in a liver biopsy photograph the more I'm convinced. Two weeks ago I got a quite a few and was able to scoop one out without touching anything. I took a bunch of tissue and surrounded it with my fingers. When I squished it the consistency was pure wax! Cholesterol is waxy and it comes from the liver. The stones are cholesterol balls that are clogging the liver.

Before I began the liver flushes I did do a parasite cleanse. Everyone has parasites and if you flush the liver the parasites can make you pretty sick if they aren't killed first. I would do that if I were you. I've never, ever been sick from doing the liver cleanse and I attribute it to getting rid of parasites.
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Those waxy balls are from the excessive oil. Sure, they do contain cholesterol, but it's the liver's job to produce cholesterol. Doesn't mean it is bad.

A good liver flush is to get the bile flowing. Bile will dissolve many substances. There are better ways to get the liver to produce more bile and keep it moving. I prefer the more gentle way with bitters.

It is a very small risk that a real and somewhat larger gallstone will dislodge and lodge within the bile duct, but I'd still rather not take the chance. I'd also rather gradually dissolve a gallstone before it attempts to pass. I understand that it can be very painful to pass some of them.
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It is a very small risk that a real and somewhat larger gallstone will dislodge and lodge within the bile duct, but I'd still rather not take the chance. I'd also rather gradually dissolve a gallstone before it attempts to pass. I understand that it can be very painful to pass some of them.
That is a possibility. The liver flush has several steps including ways of relaxing the bile ducts so the stones can safely be removed. The procedure should be followed closely. Dr. Hulga Clark says she's safely supervised these flushes with no problems even in seniors in their 70's and 80's.

Malic acid in apples help to dissolve gallstones. So does radish. Lecithin and milk thistle are also very good for the liver.
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Those waxy balls are from the excessive oil. Sure, they do contain cholesterol, but it's the liver's job to produce cholesterol. Doesn't mean it is bad.
Yes, the waxy balls are from the excessive oil releasing the gallstones. Cholesterol is very good as it is needed for proper hormone functioning and cell membrane structure. High density lipoprotein (HDL) escorts bad cholesterol called low density lipoprotein (LDL) to the liver to be excreted. But when cholesterol forms stones in the liver/gallbladder it's not so good.
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These so called "stones" are formed from the sterols in the olive oil that you are ingesting and cholesterol or bile salts in the intestines. This insoluble complex is why they float and why they are large enough for you to see. These are formed in the intestines, not the liver. You are causing these "stones" by ingesting all that olive oil. I think it is not possible to pass a real gallstone, even when the bile duct is dilated from the magnesium sulfate.

If you really have real gallstones, which are formed in the gall bladder, it is best to dissolve them. Bile is the very best substance to dissolve them. That is what bile does. Bile is a fat emulsifier and is high in lecithin, which is the component that emulsifies. Women are more prone to these real ones due to their hormones. Estrogen and progesterone cause bile stagnation. That's why.

The reason that bitters help is due to the stimulation of the vagus nerve promoting stomach acidity, bile secretion, and pancreatic enzyme activity. So they stimulate the liver to flush. This flushing will help the liver to balance hormones as it breaks down those excess hormones, such as estrogen and progesterone.

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If you search for 'gallbladder' or 'gallstones' on the Internet, no doubt you will come across claims of ‘flushes’ in which people see numerous ‘gallstones’ eliminated from the body.

This information, though well-intended, is false. Most flushes have you swallow some combination that contains a lot of olive oil, grapefruit (lemon or apples and apple cider) and sometimes Epsom salts. They claim you may have a lot of nausea, but will see numerous ‘stones’ floating in the toilet the next day. You may indeed see what look like small stonelike objects, but these are NOT gallstones. (Gallstones actually sink if placed in water.) High school chemistry students know that acid (from citrus or other fruit) and fat (olive oil) create a kind of “soap stone” (potassium carboxylates) through a process known as saponification. That is what the 'flushes' produce. These ‘flushes’ will not dissolve or eliminate your gallstones. In fact, it more often than not, triggers a major 'attack' because of all the oil you drink!

In the well-known British medical journal, The Lancet, a group of physicians from New Zealand examined the content of these ‘stones’ from these 'flushes' and reported the following:

"We conclude, therefore, that these green "stones" resulted from the action of gastric lipases on the simple and mixed triacylglycerols that make up olive oil, yielding long chain carboxylic acids (mainly oleic acid). This process was followed by saponification into large insoluble micelles of potassium carboxylates (lemon juice contains a high concentration of potassium) or "soap stones".
The Lancet Volume 365, Number 9468 16 April 2005

http://www.nafisatejparmd.com/tejpar...llbladder.html
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Thanks Jfh. There certainly is controversy in the validity of this method of liver detoxification.
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Most of those stones in the curszone photos are not saponified oil.

Geesh, people will only see what they think defends their ill gotten views of reality.

I have done a number of liver flushes over the years and get absolutely nothing... so why did the olive oiil not saponify with me? I call Bull Sh^t here. ... or could it be that in my near perfect digestion I dont have any gastric lipases and or maybe my lemons have no potassium?...
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During a liver or bowel cleanse you may discover that you actually have parasites. This is often the time when people discover this disagreeable fact. So you will want to do the liver flush next, after the bowel cleanse, then followed by the paraste cleanse. Why the liver flush first? Because you need your digestive organs open and functioning. Part of the reason that you may have acquaired parasites in the first place is because your digestive system is clogged.


Are you also including liver parasites in your statement? No one ever talks about that. I wonder how prevalent it is. Hulda Clark talked about it. Funny, I was reading a book published in 1940 and they were talking about a guy who had liver parasites. Was it common knowledge back then but now, it's not?
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I think I may have gotten the order of these cleanses wrong.. the order is important for you dont want to force your body to detox things if the organs of elimination are not open and working well first.... for instance if there are parasites in the liver and the bile duct is clogged you want that open first as the liver may try to force some out that route.. and if nasty stuff gets dumped by the bile duct from the liver it goes into the digestive tract so you want that open too... so you work the organs in the reverse direction of elimination...it goes like this.

Bowel cleanse
kidney cleanse
liver cleanse
parasite cleanse
heavy metal detox

The first three will also flush parasties if they happen to be there... but if parasites are found you must really focus in on them with very specific protocols. MMS gets rid of many of them but there are issues that come up. Sometimes is is just best to do a conventional parasite drug, especially when it comes to tapeworm. Tapeworms are often found along with other parasites too and these parasites can move out of the digestive tract and lodge in the brain, heart, pancreas, some will even crawl under the skin... so you have to focus in on what your particular issue is.
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I have done a number of liver flushes over the years and get absolutely nothing... so why did the olive oiil not saponify with me? I call Bull Sh^t here. ... or could it be that in my near perfect digestion I dont have any gastric lipases and or maybe my lemons have no potassium?...
If someone really did try to pass some of those curezone stones through their bile ducts, they would end up in a hospital. Nothing can dilate the ducts that large. I suppose it matters whether you understand physiology or junk science. I wonder how many doctors have ever seen a real gallstone, or just know the symptoms well enough to know there are gallstones in the bladder, then surgery. Anyway, I doubt you would see stones in your feces without really going through it heavily.
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If someone really did try to pass some of those curezone stones through their bile ducts, they would end up in a hospital. Nothing can dilate the ducts that large. I suppose it matters whether you understand physiology or junk science. I wonder how many doctors have ever seen a real gallstone, or just know the symptoms well enough to know there are gallstones in the bladder, then surgery. Anyway, I doubt you would see stones in your feces without really going through it heavily.

I don't believe that they would end up in hospital for I know people who have passed them. It has nothing to do with junk science or "real science"...

Most doctors have not seen real gall stones except in school in a jar or if they acutally do surgery.

Many people are not afraid to go through feces to see whats there , especially if they are going to the trouble of doing a flush. If you've raised kids you get past that fear. Disposeable gloves are so available today.
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