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I have had a swollen looking (and feeling) stomach for over 30 years, nothing I have tried has really helped, for the past few months I have taken digestive enzymes with my meals and been taking a probiotic supplement most days, this may be coincidence but a couple of weeks ago I started on drinking a couple glasses of ozonated water and taking some GSE (5-7 drops) mixed in water like the directions say and within a couple of days I started getting these abdominal pains, they are not localized, they come and go, more so on the left side than the right, but most of my muscles are tight/sore when you squeeze them, one day one of my calves almost cramped up and this is unusual and both Achilles tendons are stiff and my skin looks dry, I believe I am somehow a little dehydrated and my stomach and maybe my intestines are gurgling alot more than usual, and sometimes I can press on the tender spot and it will start gurgling and the pain goes away, there is no pattern and seems to be getting better each day or atleast I think it is, I wonder if I am not just dehydrated in my muscles and the intestines, I believe I have some form of IBS.



My DOM has no idea, My MD says he thinks it is a metabolic disorder and he suggests a blood sugar 6 hr test where they prick your finger each 1/2 hr for the first 4 hrs, then every 15 minutes for the last 2 hrs...is this really necessary to check your blood sugar? Could I buy one of those ones that you use on the arm and do it myself?

Then he suggested this stomach test where you swallow a pill and they trace it through your system to check the digestive system and he said he may want to check the thyroid level as well and start eliminating things.

Money is a issue, I am self employed, have no health insurance and with my business down about 60-70% I don't want to throw away money, the future is mighty uncertain for my work right now.
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Where is the tender spot located?

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Where is the tender spot located?

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There really is no specific spot, mainly it's on the left side in the middle but also up by the rib cage, then I have felt it mid way down and in the lower like under the stomach, and have felt it on the right side as well, I can push in pretty far and not make it worse. I have about an inch or more of fat and I have very gently felt the entire mid section for lumps or such and I don't find any...I have wondered if small tears or small hernia's I could be feeling? I have not done any heavy lifting in awhile but have at times felt what I thought was a little tearing in my midsection while doing heavy lifting, but never had any pain from it. Most of my muscles are kinda sore and stiff, both achilles tendons are stiff and the skin is dry looking and feeling.
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Well, the first thing I thought is that the GSE and ozone water is kicking stuff up... and perhaps this is a detox?
This is what I would do.

Have you tried an ozone water enema?
this can be done daily... or even just two or three times a week.

Take baths daily in epsom salts for you muscles and maybe some oral magnesium too but daily baths for a while might be enough..

Take coconut oil, 1 tablespoon 3 x day.

I dont know what that blood sugar test is all about and it sounds painful. Why not just a fasting blood sugar?

Be sure you are drinking water that is not ozonated also or other fluids.

I suspect that you are going though a detox. Dont take the GSE at the same time you take ozonated water as it my oxidize the GSA. One hour apart is good enough.

You can also cup the ozone on your abdomen. Get a funnel and attach it to your ozone line. Apply a hot wet towel to open the pours. Apply the ozone with a funnel no more that 10 minutes. It it causes a rash wait till the rash goes away ( a couple of days) then apply again for less time. You can do it longer as time goes by but you dont want to do it to the point of rash so advance slowly. This can help reduce inflammation in the gut.

I doubt its small hernias but your doc should be able to find them with a manual abdominal exam.

I would also add oral serrapeptase separate from food, like just before bed. This will help reduce inflammation in the gut also.
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Well, the first thing I thought is that the GSE and ozone water is kicking stuff up... and perhaps this is a detox?
This is what I would do.

Have you tried an ozone water enema?
this can be done daily... or even just two or three times a week.

Take baths daily in epsom salts for you muscles and maybe some oral magnesium too but daily baths for a while might be enough..

Take coconut oil, 1 tablespoon 3 x day.

I dont know what that blood sugar test is all about and it sounds painful. Why not just a fasting blood sugar?

Be sure you are drinking water that is not ozonated also or other fluids.

I suspect that you are going though a detox. Dont take the GSE at the same time you take ozonated water as it my oxidize the GSA. One hour apart is good enough.

You can also cup the ozone on your abdomen. Get a funnel and attach it to your ozone line. Apply a hot wet towel to open the pours. Apply the ozone with a funnel no more that 10 minutes. It it causes a rash wait till the rash goes away ( a couple of days) then apply again for less time. You can do it longer as time goes by but you dont want to do it to the point of rash so advance slowly. This can help reduce inflammation in the gut.

I doubt its small hernias but your doc should be able to find them with a manual abdominal exam.

I would also add oral serrapeptase separate from food, like just before bed. This will help reduce inflammation in the gut also.

This has got a little better, the last 2 days I started taking activated charcoal and I ran the ozone into some water and did a enema, I have a powerful water ozonator and only ran it for like 3 minutes, it fills up the kitchen with ozone, don't know if I got enough ozone in the water but I did feel a little better, should I do this daily? How much ozonated water? Can I over do this?

I quit taking the GSE and drinking the ozone water after this happened, the GSE kinda burned my throat after drinking, not bad but I wondered if this got into soft tissue (my stomach and intestines) that was already inflamed by some form of candida, could that be what I am feeling?

The first thing I did was take epsom salt baths, that didn't seem to help much. I also did a bath with Adya clarity minerals and it seemed to help some, I think I am experiencing lack of water in my body, I had a hair analysis done recently and all the minerals were pretty good, potassium a little low so I am eating a banana each morning, but my iron was low, I use IP6& inositol now and then, may be the cause...for toxic minerals it showed some aluminum and arsenic, wonder if it's coming from the chicken of Apple juice or where?

If this is diabetes, could it have just come on out of the blue? or could the GSE or ozonated water have brought it to the surface?

Will drinking ozonated water help or could it hurt more?
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Well, actually, I dont think you need the GSE with the ozone water.

You can do enemas daily if you want to.. It does not have to be a lot of water just ozonate it for maybe 15 minutes then instill right after. If the water is not real cold the ozone does not stay so you need to do it soon.

you can look around this site for instructions... and I dont think once a day is an overdo.


http://www.o3center.org/Protocols/Re...ufflation.html
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I do agree with my MD that I have a metabolic disorder, my energy drops off each afternoon and I am more sensitive to cold that I used to be.

I did some blood sugar checks and here are the results...

upon waking it was 98
Then I had my morning drink of arizona green tea, about 20 g sugar with a green powder mix and a tablespoon of black-strap malases, another few grams sugar and two cups of coffee with stevia and honey, probably another 10 grams of sugar, then waited 1/2 hr and re-checked, by blood glucose was now 158, a half hr later it was 124, then another 1/2 hr it was 115, then another 1/2 hr it was 105, then a couple hrs later in the mid afternoon, I felt my low and it was at 86, had a little snack, then 2 hrs later before dinner it was back to 126, after dinner and my green drink it was up to 137,...do I have a sugar issue or is my matabilsm issue something else?
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I am shocked! Why are you taking all that sugar?
Of course your going to get yourself in trouble eating that way!
Stop all sugar immediately.
How many years have you been doing this?
Only stevia. You are stressing your pancreas.
If you stop your pancreas will heal.
Add fresh juices that include carrot and green juice
Leave that molassas behind also.
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I would go easy on the carrot juice as it has 13 grams of sugar in each 8 ounce glass. If your premenopausal and low on iron you need to cut down on IP6 as it is an iron chelator.

http://www.carrotjuice.com/how-much-...rot-juice.html
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No, GSE and ozone would not have "brought this to the surface".

Carrot juice combined with green juices has a long history of treating cancer and helping to eliminate diabetes as in the Gerson Therapy. You are not severely diabetic at this point and the enzymes and detox benefits of these juices could help to reverse this situation. The body will react differently to carrot juice than to regular sugar as found in Arizona drinks. Eliminate honey also.

Gerson cured Albert Schweitzer of advanced diabetes with the Gerson protocol.
http://www.healthandgoodness.com/art...formation.html

http://search3.google.com/?_kwd=gers...erson.org/&t=g

I recommend that you go onto juices and salads, continue with the ozone, add coffee enemas, flaxseed oil along with the coconut oil and read up on the Gerson diet, and get a decent juicer. I have a Champion Juicer that works on the same principle as the the Norwalk, but is less expensive.

If your iron levels are low stop the IP6. Make sure you juice beets also. If iron continues to be low look at Nature Sunshines IX herbal formula. You need to try to figure out why your iron is low. You should also be taking lugols iodine, a key component of Gerson therapy as well as Hoxey therapy.
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I have left the IP6 & inositol alone since the hair analysis...

Arrow, I don't use "white sugar" so I guess I have been mi-informed that honey & maple syrup were not bad but actually good for you, I over did it a little on purpose for the test just to see how my blood levels would adapt and how far they would go up and how quick it would normalize...kinda like a stress test for your heart when having heart problems.

I will leave the molassas alone and cut back on the honey and use only stevia in coffee and see if this will help level my energy though out the day...and maybe quit stressing my pancreases.

Fresh juices sounds good, I was drinking "naked" brand carrot juice for a while and got a bad batch and food poisoning and was sick for 3 days, so then I started taking the carrot juice powder along with the green powder mix from "garden of life" will this be good or do I need the real thing?
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Maple syrup or molassas is used in cancer treatments to open the cancer cell gate to help the chemo, or baking soda or whatever is used to get into the cancer cell.

Small amts of honey are not bad for you unless you have sugar metabolism problems. Many people do too much honey because they think it is good for them.

Sugar feeds cancer and unless the sugars are associated with high levels of enzymes and vitamins they are a waste... as in carrot juice. Carrot juice needs to be modulated with the use of other green juices if taken on a regular basis.

Although molassas does have some nutrient value, especially for iron, the sugar content is way to high to take on any regular basis. I recommend the Nature Sunshine brand product call IX formula or iron.
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Thanks for the help as usual Arrow!

I purchased "solaray Iron Asporotate" 18 mg per, 1x daily, 100 caps, I will take 1x daily till gone and stop the inositol & IP6 I was taking for general immune support, wouls aloe be good as an alternative for immune support and maybe help the digestive process, I purchased some georges and have been taking about 2 oz x2 daily.

Now the ozone, I have a powerful water ozonator, should I use this only for enemas or for drinking also? How many of each daily do you recommend? And do I need to do coffee enemas also? Can't you over do enemas?
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You know, there is controversy about the ingestion of ozone that is not made with pure oxygen,, that being said, it is a room air ozonator that I used to instill ozone in my ears back when. And I know of some folks who cured lung cancer by breathing ozone from their room ozonator, they used an Enlay model. The main thing I think is not to inject the ozone from these machines directly into a vessel because there will be nitrogens in the mix and that is not assimilated readily enough by the body and can lead to an air emboli in the heart.

But when you use pure oxygen to make ozone, as in hooking up the ozone machine to an oxygen tank, there will be no nitrogens... which are always in room air... so what comes out of the tube will always be either pure oxygen or ozone.

Pure oxygen or ozone instantly bonds on to red blood cells when contact is made. It should not be instilled too fast. 1 to 2 cc per minute is appropriate.

I know this is taking the topic into areas not really of concern to you but sometimes understanding the total topic can sometimes help understand the various aspects

There is so much propaganda regarding ozone, and Saul Pressman, although having done a lot to promote the use of ozone made people fear the various applications with different machines... and then the Bio-oxidative organizations themselves have spread misinformation in my opinion also. They absolutely warn against direct ozone infusions into vessels. I know of a number of doctors who inject ozone directly into veins with no ill effect. .. You just have to make sure you have ozone in your syringe and not room air or nitrogen,(air is about 78 percent nitrogen) which is in room air, and that it what causes the problem. I know of a man who cured MRSA leg wounds using the ozonator he pulled out of his hot tub, doing the bagging method.

Since we breath room air all the time and if flows in and out of our ears and our colon are not adverse to it, I just can't figure what would be in ozone gas from a room air model or one that is designed to clean veggies that will hurt one in an emema especially when that ozone and what ever might else come out of the machine is dispersed in water... nitrogen is dispersed in water to a degree all the time.. Just shake a bottle of water real good and drink it and you will be consuming some nitrogen gas directly into your stomach. In some beers the bubbles are nitrogen.

So you will have to decide for yourself. I've made my decision but I cannot guarantee it because I am not a researcher... I just read and talk to professionals when I can and if it weren't so controversial I would hit back harder.. If I had selected a different group of ozone professionals I might have developed a different opinion...
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You know, there is controversy about the ingestion of ozone that is not made with pure oxygen,,

But when you use pure oxygen to make ozone, as in hooking up the ozone machine to an oxygen tank, there will be no nitrogens... which are always in room air... so what comes out of the tube will always be either pure oxygen or ozone.

Pure oxygen or ozone instantly bonds on to red blood cells when contact is made. It should not be instilled too fast. 1 to 2 cc per minute is appropriate.

I know this is taking the topic into areas not really of concern to you but sometimes understanding the total topic can sometimes help understand the various aspects
So ozone made with oxygen is less or non-problematic or body friendly?...I am probably not choosing my words/question correctly....is less likely to harm the human body and more likely to help?

Would ozone made with oxygen be more potent and you could use less for the purpose?

The water ozonator I have is the 1000 mg/h unit shown here...
http://4o3.us/water_oil_pool_ozonator.html
The makers say that 5-10 minutes you have fully saturated the water with ozone using their supplied air pump, so using the natural air introduces nitrogen in the water along with ozone? And the nitrogen is/could be harmful?

I do think I stirred up something with the ozone water and GSE and may be having a herx reaction as I usually don't smell myself but the last few days I have been from my underarms and my waste has had more odor than normally, what would be the safest enema solution to use? Saline form the drug store, coffee or ozone water made with oxygen?...or would a mineral or dead sea salt water bath be best?
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