They kill 7,000 UK people a year, but trans fats won't be banned

jfh · � #16 � 07-06-2010, 10:01 AM

Hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils should be avoided. There are few things appearing on food labels that I avoid. Hydrogenated anything is one. HFCS is another.

When oils and fats are processed by bubbling hydrogen gas through them at high temperatures, they become partially hydrogenated which changes their structure to the "trans" form. The natural fat has a bend and the processed trans fat is a straight molecule. When eaten, fats and oils are incorporated into cell membranes altering the composition of these delicate structures. Trans fats interfere with important, normal functions by inhibiting enzymes which are necessary for the body's normal metabolism of fats and they keep doing it for a long time.

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When you eat normal fats, the body metabolizes half of them in 18 days. When you eat trans fats the body requires fifty one days to metabolize half of them. This means that half of the trans fats you eat today will still be inhibiting essential enzyme systems in your body 51 days from now.

Schmitt, Walter H., Jr. Compiled notes on clinical nutritional products. Mahopac, NY: David Barmore Productions, 1990

Olive oil and unheated coconut oils are the very best oils you can use. However, it used to be the case that chip manufacturers would hydrogenate coconut oil for their chips. Hydrogenated coconut oil is the absolute worse that you could eat. Coconut oil got a bad rap for the problems it caused, and the public mostly only remembers that. They now mostly avoid all coconut oil.

jfh · � #17 � 07-06-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by limitme

there are alot of processed foods that i see that list soybean oil....
or canola oil....or safflower oil....

Since you mentioned canola oil,

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Canola is an engineered plant developed in Canada. The oil is derived from the rapeseed plant (an excellent insect repellent, by the way.) The rapeseed is a member of the mustard family. Rapeseed oil has been used extensively in many parts of the world, namely India, Japan, and China. Before the rapeseed was genetically engineered, about two-thirds of the monounsaturated fatty acids were erucic acid.
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Canola oil took the market by storm, as it is relatively inexpensive to produce, especially compared to olive oil. Olive oil has a long history of scientifically documented health benefits. The problem with olive oil is that there is not enough olive oil in the world to meet the industry's needs. In addition, olive oil is too expensive to use in most processed foods. Canola oil has filled this need for a mass-produced, publicly acceptable form of a monounsaturated oil.

Olive oil is the gold standard, documented with extensive research. Quality olive oil (Extra Virgin, Cold-pressed) is manufactured by this simple process: The olives are pressed, the oil collected. The food oil industry is promoting Canola oil as an equally healthy twin to olive oil. This is deceptive, as there are few studies involving Canola oil and human health. (Numerous animal studies point to serious and deleterious effects of canola oil on rats and pigs.)

In addition to the genetic modification, the process of making Canola oil is troubling. The procedure involves a combination of high-temperature mechanical pressing and solvent extract, usually using hexane. Hexane! Even after considerable refining, traces of the solvent remain. Like most vegetable oils, Canola oil also goes through the process of bleaching, degumming, deodorizing, and caustic refining, at very high temperatures. This process can alter the omega-3 content in the oil, and in certain conditions bring the trans fat level as high as 40 percent.

https://www.naturalnews.com/026630_ca...rated_fat.html

Ted_Hutchinson · � #18 � 07-06-2010, 01:58 PM

The problem is it's impossible to avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils if you eat in restaurants, from take aways, bakeries etc, where there is no way of knowing whether it is present.

That is why it should be banned.

limitme · � #19 � 07-06-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted_Hutchinson

The problem is it's impossible to avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils if you eat in restaurants, from take aways, bakeries etc, where there is no way of knowing whether it is present.

That is why it should be banned.

We both want the same thing....trans fat to be taken off the market....
only we believe in 2 different methods....
I won't agrue those methods anymore....

if you know of lewrockwell and mises.org, then you have read the very best on those who study free markets and have a never ending love affair with freedom....

you already know everything i would say on the subject...you already know where both roads lead....

if lew rockwell, ron paul, and other great authors can't convince you...I certainly cannot....

back to what you can help me with though...

I see so many processed foods that say soybean oil.....not hydrogenated soybean oil.....

is this a non-hydrogenated oil?

or are you not sure?

---- my little rant -----
I recently bought some extra virgin organic cold pressed unrefined coconut oil from the vitamin shoppe....
great price....8.99 for 15 oz....
the packaging looked exactly like the nutiva's packaging....which is the one mike adams likes and sells on naturalnews....
only this is a better price at vitamin shoppe.....
so far so good with this stuff....I've cooked eggs with it and pancakes...came out great....
it smells nice....it melts in the pan and turns crystal clear.....like beautiful water.....

saved1986 · � #20 � 07-06-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted_Hutchinson

The problem is it's impossible to avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils if you eat in restaurants, from take aways, bakeries etc, where there is no way of knowing whether it is present.

That is why it should be banned.

We have a local bakery who makes some really great things. I know the owner and I always assumed they still used real butter. I asked him and he said they use some type of commercial shortening for bakeries. In other words: trans fats. Anymore, when I make chocolate chip cookies I use 50/50 butter / coconut oil and they taste awesome. Trans fats are in everything store bought or restaurant made and if not trans fats, they use soybean oil, which wrecks havoc on the blood vessels.

Ted_Hutchinson · � #21 � 07-06-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by limitme

if lew rockwell, ron paul, and other great authors can't convince you...I certainly cannot....

Much as I would like to agree with you I think the situation is so important and so urgent we cannot rely on free market economics.
There is simply too much corruption to allow the markets to work properly.
While it's the case that food manufacturers can label Partially hydrogenated oils as ZERO TRANS FAT when in practice zero means 2 or less there is absolutely no way, any consumer or even the shop/bakery/fryer will be able to help you decide.

That is why relying on markets to change the situation won't work.

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I see so many processed foods that say soybean oil.....not hydrogenated soybean oil.....

This is how Soy oil is made Read it through and decide for yourself if this is a NATURAL product.

saved1986 · � #22 � 07-07-2010, 05:10 AM

https://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

limitme · � #23 � 07-07-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted_Hutchinson

Much as I would like to agree with you I think the situation is so important and so urgent we cannot rely on free market economics.
There is simply too much corruption to allow the markets to work properly.
While it's the case that food manufacturers can label Partially hydrogenated oils as ZERO TRANS FAT when in practice zero means 2 or less there is absolutely no way, any consumer or even the shop/bakery/fryer will be able to help you decide.

That is why relying on markets to change the situation won't work.

This is how Soy oil is made Read it through and decide for yourself if this is a NATURAL product.

thank you for the link...yeah, that doesn't seem like a natural product to me...

what banning salt....
why should they not have this power as well? if people think it can lead to health problems....

a little salt is not necessarily bad for you...you say....
well, maybe people disagree with you....sodium chloride is not salt someone would say....its salt that has been stripped of its nutrients and bleached....
it should be banned....
only allow raw unrefined salt....

same with sugar...
lets ban sugar....
white refined sugar is not good for you in any amount....
ban it....

only allow unprocessed, natural sweeteners....

we could go on....

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