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My wife and I just had a baby (I'm actually in the hospital right now...2nd day)...there are going to be times when we will have to use something other than breast milk....
is anything recommended over similac, etc or earth's best organic forumlas?

Is there any formula out there where people are like hmm....I definitely would never use it unless I absolutely had to...but that one is alot better than the others....
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Here's a newsletter article that offers some advice, and from me...a big CONGRATULATIONS!!

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Real Foods Equal a Healthy Baby

In March, of this year, our 23 year old son Eyman, informed us that he had
fallen in love with a bright and beautiful local girl and that it's for real
this time. Her name is Valecia. We were very happy for him. Shortly
thereafter, we learned that Valecia had a 4 month old baby boy; Malakai. We
were amazed to see our son get involved in the duties of fatherhood so quickly.
He enjoys Malaki a great deal and has taken on the role of fatherhood as if he
were the real father. He is nurturing, protective and has decided to become the
provider for both Valecia and Malakai.

In April, Eyman came to me and asked, "Why is it that every time I feed Malakai
his milk, he ends up throwing it up? Is this normal with all babies?" My reply
to him was, "Yes, most babies will burp after they are fed and spit up a little
bit of milk." He said, "I'm not talking about just spitting up, I'm talking
about throwing up most of the milk I just fed him, and that happens every time
he's fed. Also, he's always so hungry and never seems to become satisfied.
He'll ask for another bottle within an hour of feeding him." To me, that
description didn't sound very normal. So, I asked him to show me the type of
milk formula being fed to Malakai so I could see the ingredients list.

I was shocked to see the contents of what Malakai was being fed. Malakai was
allergic to cow's milk, so his doctor recommended a "non-milk" type formula as a
substitute. Here are the ingredients of this forumla:

Corn Syrup solids (55%), vegetable oil (palm olein. soy, coconut, and high
olenic sunflower oils) (27%), soy protein isolate (15%), and less than 1%
vitamin A Palmitate, vitamin D3, vitamin E acetate, vitamin K1, thiamin
hydrochloride, riboflavin, vitamin B6 hydrochloride, vitamin B12, niacinamide,
folic acid, calcium pantothenate, biotin, ascorbic acid, choline chloride,
inositol, calcium phosphate, magnesium phosphate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate,
cupric sulfate, potassium iodide, potassium citrate, potassium hydroxide,
potassium chloride, sodium citrate, sodium selenite, L-methionine, taurine,
L-carnitine.

Now you know why I was shocked! What Malakai had survived on since birth was
not milk, it wasn't even real food. All the ingredients were nothing but
isolates and synthetics (chemicals). How can a baby grow and remain healthy on
man made chemical concoctions! Malakai must be a sick baby!

I soon learned that Malakai had allergies, recurring ear infections, and asthma
and I wasn't surprised. He's already been given many drugs, including
antibiotics and Tylenol, plus he was on steroids delivered through an inhaler
prescribed for his asthma. Valecia told me that they were always in and out of
the doctor's office because of his ill health. I felt so sorry for his little
body as it was being bombarded with all these chemicals, at only four months of
age!

In a subsequent discussion, I was happy to learn that Valecia was willing to do
whatever it took to help him become healthy. The first change I recommended was
to put him on real milk. I gave Valecia, Dr. Ted Morter's milk recipe for
children who are not breast fed. Here's what Dr. Morter recommends in his book,
Your Health, Your Choice: "For those newborns and infants who must be fed
something other than mother's milk, the closest acceptable substitute is a
combination of fresh raw goat's milk (pasteurized if you can't find raw), fresh
carrot juice (organic whenever possible), and distilled water. For a newborn,
the goat's milk, carrot juice, and distilled water are combined in equal thirds.
As the child gets older, the amount of water is gradually decreased as the milk
and carrot juice are increased. When the child is approximately six months old,
the proportions should be fifty percent goat's milk and fifty percent carrot
juice. Cow's milk should be avoided. Cow's milk if fine for calves, but not for
humans, either adults or children." (p. 87).

In addition to Ted Morter's formula I recommended that she add the contents of
one Cell Tech's enzyme capsule, in every bottle, at feeding time, to the
formula. The formula includes: pasteurized goat milk, some bifidus infantis (buy
from a health food store), one a day of Cell Tech's acidophilus and 1/2 capsule
of Alpha Sun (for its high mineral content).

In the first two weeks during the change in Malakai's diet, he went through a
strong cleansing reaction. I had already educated Valecia about the possibility
of a cleansing and she was expecting it. Malakai experienced fever, chills, and
coughing. The cough continued for a few weeks as we loaded real food nutrients
into his body and then faded away.

Within a month, Malakai was totally off his inhaler and started gaining weight
rapidly. He is now 7 months old. He smiles, kicks hard, makes wonderful baby
noises, he's playful, and he is healthy. What a difference in just three months
on real foods. He went from a sick, lifeless (inactive and expressionless) baby
to a healthy and alive baby. I just get the chills thinking about the grim life
of ill health Malakai would have had to face if he had continued consuming only
the chemical products. How many babies out there are suffering from allergies,
asthma, skin problems, kidney and liver problems, autism, and many other
biological and behavioral disorders that could be avoided by simply giving them
some real food nutrition?

My purpose in writing this article and passing it on to you is to make you aware
of Dr. Morter's healthy recipe for babies who are not breast fed. Breast milk
of course, is the number one choice of food for babies. However, there are tens
or hundreds of thousands of babies who are not breast fed who are being fed
either cow's milk, soy milk, or canned concoctions of chemicals (not real food).
If you know any family members or friends who might benefit from the information
in this article, please pass it on to them, especially if the child is suffering
from the already mentioned health challenges. Feeding a baby properly early on,
can save them from a life time of health problems. It is as simple as putting
real foods in the baby's body and the miracle of health follows. I now get to
experience the energy, alertness, activity and happiness in Malakai's smile
every time I see him and it fills me with joy.

References:

Dr. M. Ted Morter, Jr. (1976). Your Health, Your Choice. Hollywood, Fl: Fell
Publishers, Inc.

https://www.healthyfutures.net/unlimited/




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thank you for the info...I've never heard of Dr. M. Ted Morter...
why carrot juice over other things?
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One of my granddaughters were raised on this goatmilk/carrotjuice/water... she stayed on this formula until a year old... Out of 17 grandchildren, she was that one that has had the least amount of sickness in the families... She came to me when she was two weeks old... At four days old, she had been readmitted back into the hospital with group b strep pnuemonia (sp?) They decided to put her on a heart monitor, and the heart monitor scared her mom, so she allowed me to take care of her for the first two years of her life.
Now this last grandson has been raised on raw goats milk since he was two months old... yes he is allergic to cows milk. Most Tar syndrome babies are. And let me tell you, mother couldnt breast feed, because they had had a c section, so when son was diagnosed, he was rushed to texas childrens, and left mom behind... so formula was causing him to throw up, and about that time I read that tar babies are allergic to milk, so the doctors gave him a supposedly non allergenic milk free formula.. and he kept throwing up... they were going to do surgury on him, to find out why he was throwing up.... I got a can of the formula they were giving him, and read the ing. It listed cows whey...anyhow... they put him on soy!!!! ouch, I hated that idea... found the raw cows milk asap... and we have been thrilled ever since! He is now two and a half... almost three. He is healthy and strong and never sick... He seems to be doing better then what most normal tar babies do, and i am wondering if the raw goats milk has anything to do with it... I believe it does! Since my first granddaughter did the raw goats milk and carrot juice recipe, I have read others state that the sugar in the carrots was too much for a baby, but I didnt see any problems with it...The only problem that we had, was that she had an orange tinge to her...our little orange baby...from all the carrot juice, but once we stopped the carrot juice, her skin turned to a normal color..To me, it always looked like she had a tan...others would comment on her orange color. Beautiful pictures tho!!! My grandson's pedi is very much on board with the raw goats milk and seems very happy with the results! Now a word of caution... If you buy raw goats milk, get to know your farmer who you are getting the milk from.... go out to the farm, check out his herd and his milking practices... make sure you trust your farmer, make sure your farmer has a good healthy herd and make sure that they test their animals.....
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One of my granddaughters were raised on this goatmilk/carrotjuice/water... she stayed on this formula until a year old... Out of 17 grandchildren, she was that one that has had the least amount of sickness in the families... She came to me when she was two weeks old... At four days old, she had been readmitted back into the hospital with group b strep pnuemonia (sp?) They decided to put her on a heart monitor, and the heart monitor scared her mom, so she allowed me to take care of her for the first two years of her life.
Now this last grandson has been raised on raw goats milk since he was two months old... yes he is allergic to cows milk. Most Tar syndrome babies are. And let me tell you, mother couldnt breast feed, because they had had a c section, so when son was diagnosed, he was rushed to texas childrens, and left mom behind... so formula was causing him to throw up, and about that time I read that tar babies are allergic to milk, so the doctors gave him a supposedly non allergenic milk free formula.. and he kept throwing up... they were going to do surgury on him, to find out why he was throwing up.... I got a can of the formula they were giving him, and read the ing. It listed cows whey...anyhow... they put him on soy!!!! ouch, I hated that idea... found the raw cows milk asap... and we have been thrilled ever since! He is now two and a half... almost three. He is healthy and strong and never sick... He seems to be doing better then what most normal tar babies do, and i am wondering if the raw goats milk has anything to do with it... I believe it does! Since my first granddaughter did the raw goats milk and carrot juice recipe, I have read others state that the sugar in the carrots was too much for a baby, but I didnt see any problems with it...The only problem that we had, was that she had an orange tinge to her...our little orange baby...from all the carrot juice, but once we stopped the carrot juice, her skin turned to a normal color..To me, it always looked like she had a tan...others would comment on her orange color. Beautiful pictures tho!!! My grandson's pedi is very much on board with the raw goats milk and seems very happy with the results! Now a word of caution... If you buy raw goats milk, get to know your farmer who you are getting the milk from.... go out to the farm, check out his herd and his milking practices... make sure you trust your farmer, make sure your farmer has a good healthy herd and make sure that they test their animals.....
you mentioned texas children's hospital....I'm in the Southeast Houston area....where do you get your raw goat's milk from?
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"A baby on goat's milk formula should also receive a multi-vitamin with iron supplement prescribed by her doctor."

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I found my raw milk on the houstonraw yahoo group in a weird round about way. I found someone that lived in my area south of houston, and through them found a source in my hometown. but there are alot of raw dairies in the houston area. Here is the sign up page... https://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustonRaw/ Your best bet, I think, is going to be stryks dairy or analagoatcompany.com But Im not sure which side of town they are on. the houston raw group is a raw foods group, but have alot of good info about the area milk supply..A great bunch of people, and have a great list of farmers markets all over houston area..Good luck, hopefully i will be seeing you on houstonraw soon!

Oh, and there is alot of disagreement about the multi and the iron supplement... Now the westonprice foundation has a recipe that you can make with raw goats milk and raw chicken liver (I believe its chicken liver) and if you feel you need to give them the iron, then in my own opinion, this would be the way to go.. I just have a real problem with giving babies chemicals that will constipate them so badly that they cry when they have to have a bowel movement. we didnt give multis or iron, and all his bloodwork comes back all within the right levels... he is not deficient in anything... believe me, the doctors and hospitals know we give him goats milk instead of formula... they test him quite a bit!
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Hello Everybody,

It warms my heart to you all paying attention and thinking consciously about what your babies eat. You are to be congratulated.

Probiotics are important, whole foods are what our bodies are designed to consume, and lots of love: perfect recipe for happy & healthy babies.

Thanks again, folks, I hope you have a wonderful day.
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Oh my goodness, Spirit Raintree, I never realised how important probiotics were until we had this little guy!!! He had eczema... so terribly bad! all over his face and legs and hands, and on top of his head. I found an article that talked about the concept that not getting enough probiotics is what is causing eczema in children and adults... the adults have eczema, because they didnt get enough probiotics when they were babies. So we started giving him a powdered form of probiotic in his milk. The eczema started clearing up immediately.. Now we had some spots, that seemed stubborn and seemed to get worse if he ate sugar, but it was clearing up...Now, at 2 and a half, we are only occasionally seeing spots, but at least a 95% improvement from when he was a baby!!! I am so very thankful that i found that article on one of these forums... I know alot of people with ezcema, and its a hard life... I sure didnt want to add one more battle for our little man to fight. i would truly truly recommend that every parent give probiotics to their babies
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I just don't know how one can successfully breast feed and use some kind of forumla on occassion!!!!!

It would not be recommended by La Leche League and I suggest that you contact them in your area as they are the ultimate experts on breast feeding and all the issues that come up with it and they will come to your house and help you and they sometimes can provide electric pumps if need be. I never used an electric pump, but purchase a good manual at toys are us. There is no fee for their visit. It is all volunteer...at least last time I looked it was not. The nurses in the hospital should have a contact number for them, if not look in the phone book for La Leche League or call a local birthing center where midwifes are used and they should have a contact number. When I was a midwife we had all our clients folllowed by La Leche League.

In order for a mom to keep her milk supply up she must nurse every day many times a day. It is the baby nursing that creates the demand and the body responds by producing milk. The only way to continue to successfully breast feed when baby and mom are not together is for mom to learn how to use a breast pump, bottle the milk up and put it in the freezer....and let me tell you she will want to do this because it gets pretty uncomfortable not to breast feed on occassion and going away for a day or too or just to work can be quite an experience without some real relief.

Thousands and thousands of moms do this every day and it is no big deal. I continued to breast feed while I went out to work three days a week with my second son. I always had plenty of milk to leave with him.

Some babies can manage it but when you start introducing a bottle instead of the breast they may develop what is called nipple preference... It is much easier for them to nurse from a bottle and they will get lazy and want the bottle over the breast and this is often the cause of the end of breast feeding for some, but it usually develops over weeks or months, not days.. It eventually happened with us but I did manage to keep it up for 6 months... not nearly as good as with my first son, who had no bottle, and breast fed for 17 months.

Please do get some good advice on this. Breast feeding is the single most important gift you can give to your child. It will build them and sustain them for many many years.

The formulas mentioned above should be saved for the weaning process.
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The other problem you will find with using a formula once in a while is that the baby most often rejects it. They get use to one thing or another and that is it. They can be quite defiant even at such a young age, and it may not be the actual bottle they are rejecting but the taste of the formula...Of course this is not across the board, but it is most common.
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The formulas mentioned above should be saved for the weaning process.
why the carrot juice? you don't think that might be a problem for a newborn?

my new baby is getting breast fed for the most part...but every now and then....if we have to use something else....which, when I go back to work....its going to be very difficult for my wife to always breastfeed....we have to other little ones...3 and 4 yr old...
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why the carrot juice? you don't think that might be a problem for a newborn?

my new baby is getting breast fed for the most part...but every now and then....if we have to use something else....which, when I go back to work....its going to be very difficult for my wife to always breastfeed....we have to other little ones...3 and 4 yr old...
Seems like it's a common ingredient for infant formula, maybe just a good source of Vitamin A. Here's a site with some others.

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Seems like it's a common ingredient for infant formula, maybe just a good source of Vitamin A. Here's a site with some others.
none of those suggest goat milk...they suggest soy?

i was talking to my wife about goat's milk....(she's a baby nurse) and she was freaking out about it....

but if you think about it it makes alot of sense....goats are closer to humans than cows and so is their milk....

i think the thing that scares her is that goats milk is not common...and there are hardly any places that have it....
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Looks like it's available at Whole Foods, not that popular in the US, but very common in other parts of the world. I'd probably choose goat over soy. Here's an article with more info.

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