Natural Medicine Talk - Chitchat

The Warm Front

Kelly Thundercloud — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:36:58 GMT

..I'm not going to tell anybody what this video really means. It's artsy...so you have to tell me what you think the hidden meaning is :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO0WNleeBgY

What are your views on watershed management?

Kelly Thundercloud — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:49:19 GMT

I'm asking this question because I am also "all natural" when it comes to the environment, especially water systems. So I came up with the idea for this discussion.

What do you think of...

Fish stocking/fisheries management

dam building and removal

The use of chemical herbicides and piscicides to control invasive or non-invasive plant and animal species

Shorline restoration and erosion

Sewage and organic pollution

Wisconsin Winters

Kelly Thundercloud — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:04:20 GMT

Brrrrrr...

You know it was only in the 50s here yesterday and about 60 today. My mom and I tried to jump in lake Michigan, but that didn't last long! Usually I can swim when it's 60, but the lake was exceptionally cold for September!

But either way, September means that the season "road constructon" is almost over and the season "almost winter" is about to begin! That's right folks, when August hits that means that Christmas is 4 months away! After the 4th of July that means the days are getting shorter and summer is almost over. At least in June we aren't thinking too much about "next winter", but we think about how great it is to finally be out of last winter!

The snow fence goes up on Thanksgiving, but many times we'll already have enough on the ground then. It comes down Easter Sunday, but most of the time we'll have another April snowstorm to close some of the schools...well maybe, but only if it's 10 inches or more! We just hope that May won't bring any snow because that really makes you want to move down south!!!!! But as long as there is gas in the snowblower every month of the year, you'll survive.

If it gets below -5, you can certainly count on your driveway drifting shut regardless of the snow fence. Usually you'll be covered in frost bite while trying to shovel it away in 50 mph winds.

So I'm just gonna enjoy my road construction season as long as it will last...and I'll try not to think of

THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dcD_qoJW8

Message for Mary H. from Jo

EarlyBird — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:55:14 GMT

Mary, UK Jo lost your email address when she had computer problems.
She would like to get an email from you.

Roz:D

Against law

athletic dept — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:06:35 GMT

Most people do not know that many laws are actually put on the books and kept there for the purpose of creating crimes and criminals. This is one of the key methods used by the rich, powerful, and well-positioned people in the world to push their agendas on the masses who have no choice but to accept their fate. These laws are unjust and those who administer them are criminals. It�s bad enough when countries go to war for no good reason but even worse is when a country�s leaders go against their own civil populations by creating ridiculously unjust laws that merely produce more criminals.
For example, drug laws are criminal laws. They are cruel laws and they breed cruel people who do dark and dirty things. In fact they are worse than cruel. These laws undermine the very fabric of society by destroying civilization from within. Drug laws are weapons of social mass destruction. They are also highly hypocritical, stupid and destined to fail except in their ability to destroy lives and cultures. They are also insane laws because they make the safest drugs illegal and the most toxic and nasty drugs available at pharmacies on every corner.
Drug laws destroy the integrity of the judicial branch of government. Judges sit smugly behind their desks branding human beings as criminals for having health problems. Addictions are not immoral and punishable; they are often brought on by the pharmaceutical industry and the addictive drugs that are prescribed. Drug laws turn judges into dispensers of injustice � not justice.

This is the best collage of clips that have been assembled to suggest that Obama is breaking the law. Certainly he could not be doing this alone. There were plenty of accomplices to this act of treason on both sides of the aisle plus in the courts. One really has to wonder about the legitimacy of the people in power and the people who make the laws if the law can so easily be trampled upon.

Now this one should make you MAD!

EarlyBird — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:02:04 GMT

http://www.seniorsleague.org :roll: First article!

Affects Social Security/Seniors/Immigrants! :twisted::soap:

23 days until a mini vacation!

saved1986 — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:14:42 GMT

Lisbon Portugal!

Goals: sightseeing, eating great seafood and local cuisene and new liquors and beers, and checking out club kremlin. Doors open at midnight and close at 6 am. And yes: I am 49 going on 22!

Read articles-loss of 4th Amendment Rights!

EarlyBird — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:56:30 GMT

Hey Guys/Gals - go to http://www.personalliberty.com to read about how our
personal freedoms are being threatened - Z Backscatter Vans is one article.:( :twisted:
Second article right below that one.
Our 4th Amendment Rights are down the tubes and people aren't even aware of it.
This should make all of us MAD as Hello! :soap:

Here Be Dragons - the movie

jfh — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:46:08 GMT

So very interesting, but 40 minutes. Watch the first few minutes to see if you would like to see the rest.

Introduction to critical thinking. Critical analysis of pop themes. What happens when hypothesis is sold as fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKdG7yGi0KA

Caring about the smallest

knightofalbion — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:22:42 GMT

A tiny insect. Just think of it; a living, breathing, thinking, feeling creature with a fully functioning digestive and reproductive system etc. A masterpiece in miniature!

If a scientist had created such a life form, people would come from all over the world just to see it and to shake the scientist's hand and tell him what a marvellous fellow he was!

Insects are a wondrous creation of God. Let us not turn a blind eye to their sufferings, for after all, all life is sacred and pain is still pain, suffering is still suffering, regardless of whoever - or whatever, is the victim.

FoxNews getting more ridiculous

jfh — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:42:06 GMT

Fox News gets even more ridiculous.

Rupert Murdoch is the owner of News Corp, the parent company of Fox News.

First, Murdoch was embarrassed by a public interview regarding whether Fox News should be supporting the Tea Party. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WzM4ytF48g

"Asked by an official at the progressive watchdog group, Media Matters, whether it was ethical for officials at Fox to promote the Tea Party movement (as has been documented on some occasion) he replied without hesitation."

�No. I don�t think we should be supporting the Tea Party or any other party. But I�d like to investigate what you are saying before condemning anyone.�

Apparently, he does not watch Fox News.

Second, Rupert Murdoch donates $1 million to Republican party. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296219
"Murdoch�s News Corporation is supporting the RGA and Republicans in general because of the party�s pro-business agenda.
His media empire includes the New York Post, Wall Street Journal and Fox News. Their editorial support is given to the Republicans, according to a report in The Guardian."

Of course, this is legal, because the Supreme Court says that corporations can donate as much as they want in support of any political campaign - or against any. Individuals cannot, so he did it on behalf of News Corp. Nonbiased? No.

Third and most recently, "Veterans Today" is reporting that Jon Stewart catches FoxNews in the Lie of the Century. "CAUGHT!! FOX NEWS FUNDING �TERROR MOSQUE� AT GROUND ZERO". The second largest owner of News Corp is the Prince of Saudi Arabia, Alwaleed bin Talal. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08...t-ground-zero/

"Fox News owner Alwaleed bin Talal, who, according to Fox News, has ties to terrorist organizations and the Iranian government, also owns, of course, Fox News and pays the salaries of those who say the man funding the Ground Zero Mosque is a terrorist." says Stewart. The �Terror Prince�, HRH Alwaleed bin Talal, cited by Fox News as supporting radical Islam and formenting the growth of terrorist organizations, personally runs the Kingdom Foundation charity funding the �Ground Zero Mosque� in addition to his co-ownership of Fox News/News Corp with Israeli-American investor Ruppert Murdoch.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...nter-video.php

So funny.

Read & Weep-Future tax changes/2011/beyond!

EarlyBird — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:35:08 GMT

http://www.rense.com/general91/esd.htm

The link above takes you to IMPORTANT info pertaining to the changes in the
tax codes for 2011 and beyond that will most likely affect you or someone
you know/love. :( :twisted:
You might want to copy the above link to your own computer and forward to
others, as well as to keep it for your own information for future tax purposes.
Better to know and be prepared ahead of time. :)
Sorry to be the bearer of negative news. :(

What's Your Definition of.......

Cookie — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:40:04 GMT

being a successful human being?

An Amazing Graduation Speech

Arrowwind09 — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:13:30 GMT

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/21...duation-Speech

Comment: The following speech was delivered by top of the class student Erica Goldson during the graduation ceremony at Coxsackie-Athens High School on June 25, 2010.

Here I stand

There is a story of a young, but earnest Zen student who approached his teacher, and asked the Master, "If I work very hard and diligently, how long will it take for me to find Zen? The Master thought about this, then replied, "Ten years . ."  The student then said, "But what if I work very, very hard and really apply myself to learn fast -- How long then?" Replied the Master, "Well, twenty years." "But, if I really, really work at it, how long then?" asked the student. "Thirty years," replied the Master. "But, I do not understand," said the disappointed student. "At each time that I say I will work harder, you say it will take me longer. Why do you say that?"  Replied the Master, "When you have one eye on the goal, you only have one eye on the path."

This is the dilemma I've faced within the American education system. We are so focused on a goal, whether it be passing a test, or graduating as first in the class. However, in this way, we do not really learn. We do whatever it takes to achieve our original objective.

Some of you may be thinking, "Well, if you pass a test, or become valedictorian, didn't you learn something? Well, yes, you learned something, but not all that you could have. Perhaps, you only learned how to memorize names, places, and dates to later on forget in order to clear your mind for the next test. School is not all that it can be. Right now, it is a place for most people to determine that their goal is to get out as soon as possible.

I am now accomplishing that goal. I am graduating. I should look at this as a positive experience, especially being at the top of my class. However, in retrospect, I cannot say that I am any more intelligent than my peers. I can attest that I am only the best at doing what I am told and working the system. Yet, here I stand, and I am supposed to be proud that I have completed this period of indoctrination. I will leave in the fall to go on to the next phase expected of me, in order to receive a paper document that certifies that I am capable of work. But I contest that I am a human being, a thinker, an adventurer - not a worker. A worker is someone who is trapped within repetition - a slave of the system set up before him. But now, I have successfully shown that I was the best slave. I did what I was told to the extreme. While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker. While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment. While others were creating music and writing lyrics, I decided to do extra credit, even though I never needed it. So, I wonder, why did I even want this position? Sure, I earned it, but what will come of it? When I leave educational institutionalism, will I be successful or forever lost? I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I'm scared.

John Taylor Gatto, a retired school teacher and activist critical of compulsory schooling, asserts, "We could encourage the best qualities of youthfulness - curiosity, adventure, resilience, the capacity for surprising insight simply by being more flexible about time, texts, and tests, by introducing kids into truly competent adults, and by giving each student what autonomy he or she needs in order to take a risk every now and then. But we don't do that." Between these cinderblock walls, we are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless to the scheme of public education, and therefore viewed with contempt.

H. L. Mencken wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not "to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States."

Comment: The full passage reads: "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever pretensions of politicians, pedagogues other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."

To illustrate this idea, doesn't it perturb you to learn about the idea of "critical thinking." Is there really such a thing as "uncritically thinking?" To think is to process information in order to form an opinion. But if we are not critical when processing this information, are we really thinking? Or are we mindlessly accepting other opinions as truth?

This was happening to me, and if it wasn't for the rare occurrence of an avant-garde tenth grade English teacher, Donna Bryan, who allowed me to open my mind and ask questions before accepting textbook doctrine, I would have been doomed. I am now enlightened, but my mind still feels disabled. I must retrain myself and constantly remember how insane this ostensibly sane place really is.

And now here I am in a world guided by fear, a world suppressing the uniqueness that lies inside each of us, a world where we can either acquiesce to the inhuman nonsense of corporatism and materialism or insist on change. We are not enlivened by an educational system that clandestinely sets us up for jobs that could be automated, for work that need not be done, for enslavement without fervency for meaningful achievement. We have no choices in life when money is our motivational force. Our motivational force ought to be passion, but this is lost from the moment we step into a system that trains us, rather than inspires us.

We are more than robotic bookshelves, conditioned to blurt out facts we were taught in school. We are all very special, every human on this planet is so special, so aren't we all deserving of something better, of using our minds for innovation, rather than memorization, for creativity, rather than futile activity, for rumination rather than stagnation? We are not here to get a degree, to then get a job, so we can consume industry-approved placation after placation. There is more, and more still.

The saddest part is that the majority of students don't have the opportunity to reflect as I did. The majority of students are put through the same brainwashing techniques in order to create a complacent labor force working in the interests of large corporations and secretive government, and worst of all, they are completely unaware of it. I will never be able to turn back these 18 years. I can't run away to another country with an education system meant to enlighten rather than condition. This part of my life is over, and I want to make sure that no other child will have his or her potential suppressed by powers meant to exploit and control. We are human beings. We are thinkers, dreamers, explorers, artists, writers, engineers. We are anything we want to be - but only if we have an educational system that supports us rather than holds us down. A tree can grow, but only if its roots are given a healthy foundation.

For those of you out there that must continue to sit in desks and yield to the authoritarian ideologies of instructors, do not be disheartened. You still have the opportunity to stand up, ask questions, be critical, and create your own perspective. Demand a setting that will provide you with intellectual capabilities that allow you to expand your mind instead of directing it. Demand that you be interested in class. Demand that the excuse, "You have to learn this for the test" is not good enough for you. Education is an excellent tool, if used properly, but focus more on learning rather than getting good grades.

For those of you that work within the system that I am condemning, I do not mean to insult; I intend to motivate. You have the power to change the incompetencies of this system. I know that you did not become a teacher or administrator to see your students bored. You cannot accept the authority of the governing bodies that tell you what to teach, how to teach it, and that you will be punished if you do not comply. Our potential is at stake.

For those of you that are now leaving this establishment, I say, do not forget what went on in these classrooms. Do not abandon those that come after you. We are the new future and we are not going to let tradition stand. We will break down the walls of corruption to let a garden of knowledge grow throughout America. Once educated properly, we will have the power to do anything, and best of all, we will only use that power for good, for we will be cultivated and wise. We will not accept anything at face value. We will ask questions, and we will demand truth.

So, here I stand. I am not standing here as valedictorian by myself. I was molded by my environment, by all of my peers who are sitting here watching me. I couldn't have accomplished this without all of you. It was all of you who truly made me the person I am today. It was all of you who were my competition, yet my backbone. In that way, we are all valedictorians.

I am now supposed to say farewell to this institution, those who maintain it, and those who stand with me and behind me, but I hope this farewell is more of a "see you later" when we are all working together to rear a pedagogic movement. But first, let's go get those pieces of paper that tell us that we're smart enough to do so!

Oh, does this suck

saved1986 — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:17:15 GMT

I start teaching classes (community college, part time) tuesday. I have been off for 3 weeks. I took a job with a temp agency to make some extra cash. This week it was unloading pallets of boxes (some of them 50 pounds) onto a conveyor line at a distribution center. At the end of the day, the supervisor came up to me and asked if I could come in monday for a 10 hr shift. I said yes. This is cool for a week (I have lost 5 pounds this week from this stuff). But to do it for a living would really suck.